Progress is inevitable.

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  1. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    And it looks like the principle that will end up destroying the nation. It is an article of faith that is false, as demonstrated by science, It claims that all men are created. Men weren't created, they evolved. And they evolved in different environments and so evolved differently.

    Progressivism founders on biology every time. And it creates a great deal of misery by failing to acknowledge biological facts.
     
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    Utter gobblygook! That you don't understand the concept of equality as stipulated by the Founding Fathers is readily apparent in your ludicrous assertion.

    Furthermore there are no "biological facts" that demonstrate any significant biological difference between humans who evolved in different environments. Humans from one continent can interbreed with humans on all of the other continents and vice versa. Onus is entirely on you to PROVE that these imaginary "biological" differences exist.
     
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    Well, explain it to me. (It is not helpful that you had to "swear an oath" to believe a patently false assertion, btw.)

    There are plenty of biological differences. Entire books have been written about them.

    Deny it all you want. Won't make a difference.
     
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    The concept of equality applies to the Law of the Land. In the DOI the Founding Fathers invoked the term in order to deny the fallacy of the "divine right of kings" placing the "king" above the law because he was "annointed by god". They also used it to make the point that as British subjects they should have been granted the right to vote for equal representation within the English Parliament. Since that was denied they invoked their own "equal rights" to form their own government. This is all basic civics 101 that most children learn about in public schools.
    If these "entire books" exist then you should have no problem providing links to them and relevant quotes that support your bogus allegations. That you have not done so says volumes.
     
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    Fine. But it doesn't mean people are equally smart, or equally athletic or equally civilized or anything like that. We ought to keep uncivilized people out of our country.

    And it certainly doesn't mean there aren't biological differences between the races.

    (Good Lord! Not that "speaking volumes" cliche again!)

    Here's a link to an article. Wade wrote a book, but the article is more succinct and online.

    "New analyses of the human genome have established that human evolution has been recent, copious, and regional. Biologists scanning the genome for evidence of natural selection have detected signals of many genes that have been favored by natural selection in the recent evolutionary past. No less than 14% of the human genome, according to one estimate, has changed under this recent evolutionary pressure.

    Analysis of genomes from around the world establishes that there is a biological basis for race, despite the official statements to the contrary of leading social science organizations. An illustration of the point is the fact that with mixed race populations, such as African Americans, geneticists can now track along an individual’s genome, and assign each segment to an African or European ancestor, an exercise that would be impossible if race did not have some basis in biological reality."

    http://time.com/91081/what-science-says-about-race-and-genetics/
     
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    :roflol:

    Only a fool believes that the warmongering and mass killings that Americans indulge in are signs of being "civilized". If anything it reflects an abject failure of civilization. But I don't expect any white supremacists to comprehend that concept.
    :roflol:

    Seriously?

    That execrable and opprobrious drivel is your source? It was even DEBUNKED by ALL of the scientists that Wade disingenuously and dishonestly MISQUOTED and MISREPRESENTED in his book.

    https://savageminds.org/2014/08/11/...las-wades-a-troublesome-inheritance-is-wrong/

    Your single source has been completely and utterly DISCREDITED by 130 GENUINE SCIENTISTS!

    In other words you have absolutely NOTHING WHATSOEVER that supports your odious and downright detestable allegations.
     
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    Seriously?

    That execrable and opprobrious drivel is your source? It was even DEBUNKED by ALL of the scientists that Wade disingenuously and dishonestly MISQUOTED and MISREPRESENTED in his book.

    https://savageminds.org/2014/08/11/geneticists-think-nicholas-wades-a-troublesome-inheritance-is-wrong/[/quote\

    Sure. NYT science reporter writing in a left-of-center publication.

    Of course the scientists denounced his accurate reporting. They don't want their funding cut because of left-wing yahoos complaining their research is "WAAAACIST!"

    But science marches on. I read recently that they identified 130 alleles that correlate with intelligence. Somebody, somewhere, is going to test racial groups for those alleles.

    I wonder what the results will be? My bet is they'll be"WAAAACIST!"
     
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    :roflol:

    In other words denial of the FACTS and REALITY is all you have left!

    You could not refute even a single one of those 130 scientists who EXPOSED that it was GROSSLY inaccurate "reporting" that suited your confirmation bias.

    :roflol:
     
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    Refute the scientists, Heaven forfend! I accept everyone of those scientists findings.

    Tell me which facts have been refuted by the scientists who found them:

    (1) Evolution has been recent, and regional

    (2) Geneticists can now track along an individual’s genome, and assign each segment to an African or European ancestor, an exercise that would be impossible if race did not have some basis in biological reality.

    (3) The three principal races are Africans (those who live south of the Sahara), East Asians (Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans), and Caucasians (Europeans and the peoples of the Near East and the Indian subcontinent). In each of these races, a different set of genes has been changed by natural selection.

    (4) Anything that has a genetic basis, such as ... social instincts, can be varied by natural selection.

    This seems to be Evolution 101. What has been debunked?
     
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    And that is problem.

    You view my family as Asian, black, and white. I view them as husband, wife, and kids. Yet you have the audacity to tell me progressivism is responsible for all good while promoting a racist perspective. You dont even see how your progressive is actually based on regressive tendancies.

    When you are capable of not viewing circumstance is such "groups", at that point you will be making progress and maybe on par with where I already am at.
     
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    Vapid dissembling duly noted and ignored because it is patently a disingenuous attempt to deny and distort the credible scientific facts that refute the odious canards promulgated by racist white supremacists.
     
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    democrats dont care about any of that, as long as their dream of American communism is so close.
     
  13. Pycckia

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    Ooops, more support for racial differences:

    (emphasis mine)

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html
     
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    Wrong!

    That was an OPINION piece that did ENDED by refuting the allegations of racist white supremacists

     
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    It was the opinion of a geneticist, though. He didn't refute the allegations of racists, he denounced them.

    He says we don't know what geneticists will find. He just assures us it will not justify racism, something he cannot assure.

    But it certainly seems you are taking the "indefensible position" he warns against. There are races and there are significant genetic differences between those races, and some of these differences are quite recent. You ought to climb down and admit that.

    After all, "arguing that no substantial differences among human populations are possible will only invite the racist misuse of genetics that we wish to avoid."
     
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    Wrong!

    There are no "significant genetic differences". Only minor differences between populations that are INSIGNIFICANT.
     
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    Well, then, you disagree with Professor Reich then. Who is anti-science here?
     
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    Asinine strawman duly noted and ignored for obvious reasons.
     
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    The reasons are obvious. You have no response to the fact that you are simply wrong, as per Dr. Reich.
     
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    Your asinine strawman is still being ignored for obvious reasons.
     

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