Proof of How Life Began

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  1. Drago

    Drago Well-Known Member

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    There is none. To believe there was an initial particle that created life, would need to believe there was something to create that particle. It's called faith. There is no proof. No scientific proof of anything. If anything, science is an ability God gave us. Science proves and disproves a lot of things, how life began is not one of those things. It can't be recreated, something out of nothing just doesn't seem to be scientifically possible. To believe something as sophisticated as us came from nothing takes a lot of faith.

    Some say evolution. Sure, survival of the fittest, I believe this does exist. So we evolve? What did we initially evolve from? Eventually we became an ape like creature, then a human that could all of sudden think (caveman I guess), then on to the thinking man. So, from the time we became "smart", did they not think to take notes of the neanderthals we had at the time. I mean, we don't just go automatically from cavemen to intellectuals do we? No inter-species? We just change over automatically. Damn, evolution is amazing.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is unfortunate that you cannot understand how TIME fits into the Evolution concept. Also difficult to understand is the expectation that Abiogenesis should be "Proven" in a few decades while Creation has seen no useful data in thousands of years. Neanderthal did not "Become" homo sapiens but instead interbred with other ancestors to become something different, and as writing and current thought processes are....well, current....earlier creatures obviously could not "Take Notes".

    Basically your entire OP is a series of statements that do little more than define the limitations of your knowledge.
     
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    tkolter Well-Known Member

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    Simply put we don't need to know how life began to support evolution, they are different theories, there is a sensible assumption life began in some way for life to be here. But life clearly evolved there is overwhelming evidence to support the Theory of Evolution and its now on par with the most tested theories science has for example the Theory of Gravity. Does it have issues of course but so does the latter it breaks down inside the event horizon of a Black Hole. That doesn't make the theory wrong.
     
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    Faith requires a foundation, something with which that faith is built upon. For example, we can have faith that the sun will rise in the east today because that's what it's done for billions of years so far. Hope has no such limitations. That's why people can have faith in science, but only have hope in religion, because religion has not given us anything to actually have faith in. It has not given us anything that we can test and base that faith on. It's a collection of wishful thinking that we hope is true because it sounds better than life just being over when you die and that's it.

    And at no point does there have to be "nothing" in order for the universe to have been created. We don't know what there was, and we don't even know that when speaking about cosmic happenings like that, that something CAN'T come from nothing. We just don't know enough yet to even say there was a nothing to begin with.

    No that's not how evolution works. We didn't just change over automatically. It was a process that took hundreds of thousands of years. And evolution does not mean that an entire population of our ancestors changed into humans as we know them. Most probably did not, and died out just like countless numbers of species have. But the ones that did have that chance mutation or combination of genes that slowly brought us closer to modern humans being went on to reproduce and spread those genes and they are the ones who survived.

    I think you have some common misconceptions about how evolution actually works. It was not that "apes" turned into men. It was that some apes began down the line for whatever reason that eventually spawned human beings, while most did not. That's why there are still apes, but also human beings.
     
  5. Taxonomy26

    Taxonomy26 Banned

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    WHOA!
    What god is that?
    Or should I say which/Witch god is that.
    There is NO god in evidence, much less proven.


    But your 'god' IS "something out of nothing".
    Ahh, the logic waiver/wand for your personal magic.


    There are "inter-species"/transitionals for EVERY Living species, including us.
    The very short list:
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    And who were those guys?
    god's screw ups?
    Most species are trial-and-error mutations/FAILS. Many more are extinct than living.

    We, of course, are also still evolving, and are, like everything else, transitional.
    WE have anatomical Remnants of our ancestors (Wisdom Teeth, Appendix, Coccyx/TAIL, etc)
    Not very 'immaculate.'

    What caused the initial life is not known. It's study is called 'abiogenesis.' Evolution has overwhelming Evidence, and starts after the first life. It does Not depend on how it was sparked.
    Tho life May have been evolutionAL, as there were more and more complex molecules, even self-replicating, non-living ones, which may be the precursors of life.
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    Science is not about proving anything, proof is for mathematics and alcohol. Science is a tool that produces the best explanation for any given phenomena, and the best explanation for the diversity of life we see around us is evolution. You don't have to have faith in evolution because there is ample evidence for it.
     
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    My favourite theory of this by Arthur C Clarke.

    Life began on earth by travelling aliens disposing of waste near our planet and we evolved.

    We are space poo.
     
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    Seem = assumption and is not a solid basis for a conclusion especially a scientific one. Something coming from nothing is just one theory, another theory is that energy is omnipresent and can neither be created nor destroyed yet it can change forms thus the Big Bang was a function of energy changing forms rather that spawning from a previous nothingness.

    We are all made of star stuff. - Carl Sagan

    Change takes time and as evolution is a theory there are many yet to be answered questions.
     
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    While I'm open to any evidence that supernaturalists may provide, there are strong inductive reasons to believe that the source of life is natural, not supernatural. Thus, while it is not absolutely certain, it is far more likely. Every supernatural explanation has either been proven false or hasn't been proven. Meanwhile, every verifiable cause that has been discovered, and can be independently verified, has been a natural cause. No independently verifiable supernatural cause has ever been discovered.
     
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    Darwin had doubts, you should read about them sometime. I'm a firm believer in science. Science is an amazing thing. So amazing it can't prove lots of things. So amazing it was made up by human beings. Apparently some really intelligent human beings. Where did this intelligence come from?

    So humans suddenly appear from evolution and then evolve to have scientific thought, enough to come up with theories. Sold.
     
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    Lots of things have been proven by "science" or disproved. Life is still a mystery, I wonder why?
     
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    Alert, God in the Gaps fallacy detected.

    Just because science can't explain it, doesn't mean God did it.
     
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    Because that is how science functions. It looks into possibility, spends time experimenting and observing, puts forth hypothesis, explores until graduating to theory, tries to debunk everything it has come up with, takes even more time coming up with further hypothesis.....rinse and repeat.

    I always find it funny when folks who accept something with no evidence after thousands of years, expect science to have all the answers after 50.
     
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    There are numerous “myths” about Darwin.
    Where is your citation?
     
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    So, years ago when we did not understand that the sun, not the earth was the center of our Solar system, we ascribed the God Zeus and took it on faith that he created the world around us and the stars, literally fell from the heaven. Science has dis proven all of that. Now we are at a point where you think just because science can't create life, we don't understand it and have to take that on faith ? The record isn't good that science "will not understand" life. God just becomes an every receding pocket of ignorance.

    You are being pretty arrogant to think that just because "you" don't personally understand something, it could not be true. I suppose you understand the complete inner workings of your auto engine. Because, if you don't, that surely was hand crafted by a Devine being too....a man in the sky of you will.
     
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    Get ready for a 'junkyard tornado' fallacy in 3...2...
     

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