Proposal to split California into three states makes November ballot

Will this succeed? Are you satisfied with the map of the proposed split? How much would it cost to start up the new state governments and rename everything?

 

I visited there once and that state is super long, so prob woudl not hurt to cut in half at least, texas is another huge state

 

Politically, conservatives would love it. Takes the California electoral vote and splits it between Dems and Reps instead of all Dems.

Which is why the EC system is wrong, but that's another thread.

 

If it succeeds it will be a potential mortal blow to "progressives". All those electoral votes and representatives lost.

It would be good for the nation to split California.

 

Did you miss the part where we're a Republic?

 

Which certainly does not mean the people cannot chose their president.

 

The states the people belong to choose the President, as designed and intended.

 

That is up to California and Congress. If that is what the people of California want and Congress agrees then make it happen.

 

It will never happen. They've been trying this since the 50s. And it has always been primarily about water. That means it is not in the interest of the major cities, where all the voters live.

California Water Wars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Water_Wars

 

It's why the EC system is right. A [cautionary] microcosm of a national popular vote, California....where sanctimonious, hippy dippy hive-minded weirdos who are attracted to crime riddled, feces and urine soaked urban centers determine the sociopolitical and economic direction of the whole.

NO THANKS! not trusting my life, liberty and pursuits of happiness to that sort of 'judgement'.

 

I don't like how the state would be turned into three states.

Northern California would still have no representation in the state legislature.

Liberals would control the water for Southern California.

I prefer dividing California into two states like this.



Liberals, socialist progressives and Mexicans are all happy campers.

All Americans living in "New California" (blue) are happy as clams, no stupid Nazi gun laws, no sanctuary cities, no free stuff for illegal aliens, low taxes, low crime rates, business friendly, no liberals, no Nancy Pelosi, no Kamalla Harris, no Jerry Brown, no Gavin Newsom, no political correctness, no nanny state, no obstructionism and sedition and for the first time in decades the Middle class will have representation in the state legislature.

 

You sound just like a fascist. Thank you for sharing your opinion.

 

Leftists are fascists....economically and socially.

 

Funny, you're the one arguing that the people shouldn't decide their president.

 

You reside somewhere in The United STATES of America, not The People's Republic of Ameritopia.

 

And you reside somewhere in the United States of America, not der fatherland.

 

STATES

 

AMERICA\

Maybe you tell people you're a Floridian who lives in the Unites STATES. I live in Florida, but I'm an American.

 

"California, here we come,
Right back where we started from!"​

California, although it is being outpaced by Washington and Massachusetts, boasts a thriving economy (the fourth-best state economy in the nation, according to a new report from Wallet Hub's annual ranking of state economies, and the world's fifth-largest economy, with its gross domestic product larger than that of countries like the U.K., France and India, according to federal data) gives the heebie jeebies to the prissy boys.

In 1846, the United States invaded, conquered, seized, and occupied what was then part of the Republic of Mexico.

Why not return it to Mexico, and reroute asylum seekers and other immigrants from the South that seek to enter Arizona, New Mexico, or Texas to find employment, survive, and feed and house their families?

That would rid the US of a state that gets some folks in a tizzy as it alleviates the need some feel to tear families apart.

Then, as a bonus, Trump would get to build an even bigger beautiful wall: Instead of only 1852 miles, he could build a 2816 mile Trump®Wall!

 

excerpt:

Sure, the liberals like to claim California socialism is working by pointing to the much heralded statistic that “California’s economy is the 6th largest in the world” as calculated by the state’s Department of Finance. Indeed, California’s $2.62 trillion economy is larger than that of France, Canada, Brazil, Russia, and Italy. However, that GDP stat does not factor in California’s cost of living, which is 36.2% higher than the national cost of living. As Carson Bruno writes in Real Clear Markets, “using the cost of living adjusted data from the International Monetary Fund and adjusting California’s GDP data provides a better snapshot of California’s economic standing in the world. Doing so shows that California is actually the 12th largest economy — a drop of 6 spots — and actually puts the state below Mexico.”

Moreover, as Bruno points out, Silicon Valley “accounted for 50% of California’s private industry real GDP growth.” In other words, without a few dozen mega profitable high-tech Silicon Valley firms such as Apple, Google, and Facebook, California’s GDP would be significantly smaller.

However, as economic blogger Richard Rider points out, the aggregate GDP statistic is really not a good indicator of a state’s economic health, especially since one industry appears to be propping up the “6thlargest economy” myth. California has over 39 million people, more than any other state, so a far more accurate assessment of its economy, Rider writes, would be per capita GDP as compared to the rest of the country. After adjusting the GDP figures to account for the cost of living (COL), the Golden State ends up with a paltry 37th place ranking within the U.S.A., with a $45,696 per capital GDP. Even rustbelt states, such as Michigan and Ohio, have a higher adjusted per capita GDP. Despite Silicon Valley’s high-tech giants, California barely squeezes past impoverished New Mexico. Rider also reports that when one looks at per capita GDP stats for the rest of the world, California ranks 19th, but those stats don’t factor in the COL data; if they did, California would be even further down the rankings internationally.

One should not also assume that high-tech companies are a permanent feature of California’s economy. Already, the extremely high cost of living in Silicon Valley has, since 2016, caused more Silicon Valley employees to leave the state than it has attracted. With a few high-tech companies having left California for other states such as Virginia, Texas and North Carolina, it’s only a matter of time before this turns into a flood.

But it’s not just Silicon Valley employees fleeing California; it’s productive — and job-creating — citizens from all over the state. As Joel Kotkin and Wendell Cox wrote in the Mercury News last April, “the largest group of outmigrants tends to be middle-aged people making between $100,000 and $200,000 annually.”

Indeed, California has done everything possible to make it difficult for businesses and employers to produce goods and services. California now has the highest state income tax rate and the highest state sales tax rate in the country. Our gas tax rate is fourth-highest, but if you add in the 10-12 cent “cap and trade” cost per gallon, we have the highest gas tax in the country. Based on 2014 numbers, California’s single-family residence property tax is the eighth highest in the country with the median homeowner property tax bill 93% higher than the average property tax bill for the other 49 states. As for the state’s corporate income tax rate, it is also eighth in the country. And let’s not forget our small business tax, a minimum of $800, even if no profit is earned.

Overall, the Tax Foundation ranks California as fifth worse in overall tax burden, but the state is especially hostile to its high earners who start businesses and create most of the jobs. Indeed, the top 1% pays 50% of all state income taxes. Moreover, the Small Business and Entrepreneurship Council ranked California as having the worst anti-business climate in the country; the American Tort Reform Foundation ranks the state as the “worst state judicial hellhole” in the U.S. and the national Chamber of Commerce rates California as having the fourth-worst business climate.

If California is such a prosperous state as liberals claim, why does it have the highest poverty rate in the nation? According to the Census Bureau, the poverty rate is 23.4%, which is 17% higher than second place Nevada. Indeed, while California has 12% of the nation’s population, it is home to 33% of the nation’s TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families) welfare recipients, more than the next seven states combined...

-> https://spectator.org/adios-california/

 

The issue here is who controls the water supply.

If they can't figure that out then this would never happen.

 

You seem to be the self-appointed spokesperson for your "liberals" but seem to lack authenticity in your continual pronouncements on their behalf.

 

I think they could do it if they combined it with adding Porto Rico as well. That would insure that you had to liberal and two conservative states.

 

That's doing things backwards. We don't define states by whether they'll vote predominantly red or blue.

 

You should really start a whole new thread for that idea.