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  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Glad you are here!
     
  2. a better world

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    Not at all, competition is indeed a motivator, and greed is an incentivizer.

    But Chinese people compete with one another, that's why some of them are billionaires; and indeed China has accepted the fierce competition coming from the US, since the paranoia of the US as global hegemonic power is on full display as it is overtaken by China's more efficient and more productive system.

    In China, you can be greedy, at the same time as the government guarantees every citizen above poverty participation in the economy.

    That's the winning formula; aka "socialism with Chinese characteristics".
     
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    Good to see mainstream media looking at alternatives to both Biden with his misguided economic orthodoxy, on the one hand, and Trump who was a clear and present danger to the world, with his uni-lateralist "America First" policy. Climate change, pandemics, biodiversity loss, pollution, refugees, war, poverty are GLOBAL problems requiring global co-operation. That's why Biden is re-engaging with the rest of the world.

    On mainstream economic orthodoxy: here is a welcome and clear examination of (legitimate) inflation/devaluation fears re Bidens' infrastructure budget, in the mainstream press:

    Opinion | Biden Can Go Bigger and Not ‘Pay for It’ the Old Way - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

    By focusing on how much revenue they think they can raise from a broad array of tax increases on the well-off, Democrats risk allowing the scope of their ambitions to be governed by the dated framework of fiscal responsibility in Washington and the political appetite for tax increases, rather than what is truly possible based on logistics in the real economy.

    The Bureau of Labor Statistics, the Federal Reserve, the Treasury Department and other agencies that track labor force participation, price increases and supply shortages can be tasked with developing a specific dashboard of blinkers and warnings to alert to problems.

    If Congress and the White House want to be responsible stewards of both society and the U.S. dollar’s value, then rather than focusing on taxation of the rich**, they should prioritize and supply exactly what it would take, in terms of real resources, to electrify the nation’s power grid, repair every deficient bridge, give caretakers a living wage, upgrade our railways, and deliver clean drinking water and high-speed broadband to every home. How many people will it take to do all of that work? How much steel, concrete and fiber optic cable? How many tower cranes and other kinds of building equipment will be needed? The list goes on.

    These are the questions we should ask our leaders, and the ones they should be asking themselves — not “How will we pay for it?”

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    which misses the point, because the rich tend to save and will not present as much as an inflation risk as middle class spending power.
     
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    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hey
    I liked Trump's America First attitudes,
    especially :flagcanada: treaty violations
    dumping their subsidized milk on the :flagus: market
    ignored by Obama & Bush, Jr. .


    Nation's Leaders should be about their nation's interests!

    Globalism is international profiteers.

    Like some antisemitic cartoon of the international Jew
    profiting off everyone yet loyal to no one.

    No thank you.
    Gimmie that old time nations' leaders looking out for their nation first.


    I have often uploaded on All Things Australia the reality
    of both parties & populace programmed into globalism.
    Oh, Australia could never be more self sufficient
    YES AUSTRALIA CAN but chooses not to do so.
    :worship: Globalism :worship:
    Not Moi!



     
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    Climate change, pandemics, biodiversity loss, pollution, refugees, war, poverty are GLOBAL problems requiring global co-operation.

    I wonder what's wrong with your cerebral cortex, you know..the organ that endows you with self-awareness AND awareness that others have the same endowment.
     
  6. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Donor

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    I am curious.....
    did I go way over the top for Trump support with this idea????


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...nald-j-trump-as-moshiach-ben-ephrayim.587238/
     
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    Don't ever speak to me and we'll be fine.

    Support the right of secession. Get rid of us evil blue states and we'll all be happy.
     
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    LOL!!!!

    The economic mess that has been caused by the far less than brilliant and intellectually honest response to this pandemic by bureaucrats..... .has left us in a situation where we need to discuss ways to avoid a full fledged Bear Market, (another 1929)????



    Can an economic boom in Israel, Australia and California prevent another 1929?


     
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    There are some very gifted people who saw glimpses of a future in which that is what happened........
    but I personally am still hopeful that a total political division in the USA can be avoided.......?!
     
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    Looks like you spoke to him...
     
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    Agreed! The sooner we go our separate ways the better.
     
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    Extemely limited thinking on your part; "the only alternative"? Indeed such thinking will result in elimination of the the individual......via extinction of the species.

    Ever heard of co-operation?

    While competition is natural among individuals, good governance - to achieve a positve outcome for all - is not beyond the wit of Man.

    Engage your brain, and be prepared to ditch your 'democracy' based on 'sovereignty of the individual' ideology. Life, creativity and prosperity for the common good are worth infinitely more than an outmoded ideology.
     
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    Cooperation and governance are opposing terms. Cooperation is voluntary. Governance means compulsion. I, for example, am a very cooperative person. Ask me for help and find out. The best way to make me uncooperative is to delegate authority to a governing body with the intent to limit me for your own gain instead of just asking me for help yourself.

    Also democracy isn't very compatible with the individual either. It requires the individual (we could call it 'minority' if that helps) submit at least some of their 'sovereignty' to the will of the majority. This isn't a big deal when the majority asks little of the minority, and the benefits of a little compulsed cooperation outweigh the loss of a little individual choice in the interest of preserving a large amount of order. However, as the majority asks more and more of the minority, the minority benefits less and less comparitively, and thus democracy becomes less and less important compared to self determination.

    And our system has already created a positive outcome for all. Everyone benefits from roads, hospitals, computers, science... its just that some people benefit more than others, and that is always going to be the case so long as one person has a different individual perspective from another person that causes them to make different choices from eachother. True equality of results is only possible if everyone makes all the same choices (or are entirely prohibited from making any choices at all), which I think sounds like a bad idea.
     
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    Hello and welcome
     
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    In your estimation.

    Yet, "we the people ..in order to create a more perfect union" certainly suggests co-operation. The question is the manner of the co-operation, and to what end.

    In your estimation. Yet good governence demonstrably requires some compulsion among self-interested individuals, to avoid anarchy., aka 'rule of law'.

    Addressed above.

    A positive outcome for all?

    "You are living in poverty, your neighborhoods are like war zones, your schools and hospitals are broken, your young men are in prison...) DJ Trump, in 2016 campaign.

    no surprse the US - the "land of the free" - has the largest prison population in the world
     
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    thats what happens when 'governance' innevitably gets out of hand. it was, after all, 'democracy', aka the majority, aka compulsion that put them there
     
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