Qaddafi's "opulent living" -- where is the proof?

Liebe · Oct 24, 2011

Abu Sina said: ↑

A scathing article that reveals the underbelly of Dubai appeared recently in the Melbourne Age (and several other papers) written by Eric Ellis, the South-East Asia correspondent for Fortune magazine.

On a recent visit to Dubai Ellis visited Sonapur, the slum area of Dubai and what he calls a Middle Eastern Soweto. He said these were the most depressing conditions Ive witnessed.

Why havent people heard of this? Although it is one of the largest communities in the UAE it doesnt officially exist and it is not on any maps. It is hidden away in the dunes between Dubai and Sharjah.

In this community are migrant workers who are hired to build the skyscrapers in Dubai, men who work for $8 a day and are crowded into primitive conditions by night.
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Maybe migrant workers don't count?

skeptic-f · Oct 24, 2011

Marlowe said: ↑

Still NO evidence of Gaddafi having lived an "opulent" life style , WOT ?
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Qadaffi banked and invested, supposedly on behalf of Libya, between $150 and $200 billion dollars US. Given all the things that could have been done in Libya with even half that money, that makes it pretty obvious that he didn't have the best welfare of his citizens in mind when he made those decisions.

As for corruption to the benefit of the Qaddafi family, look at this Wikileak:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/63423

Margot · Oct 24, 2011

skeptic-f said: ↑

Qadaffi banked and invested, supposedly on behalf of Libya, between $150 and $200 billion dollars US. Given all the things that could have been done in Libya with even half that money, that makes it pretty obvious that he didn't have the best welfare of his citizens in mind when he made those decisions.

As for corruption to the benefit of the Qaddafi family, look at this Wikileak:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/63423
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The Libyans are quite poor... with a per capita income that is half that of KSA which also provides free education and healthcare as well as money for housing and business development. Khadafi gave the people just enough, but failed to invest in infrastructure.

One of the issues surrounding Khadafi is that he changed the laws constantly and was too paranoid to permit the development of functioning institutions..

Marlowe · Oct 24, 2011

Margot said: ↑

The Libyans are quite poor... with a per capita income that is half that of KSA which also provides free education and healthcare as well as money for housing and business development. Khadafi gave the people just enough, but failed to invest in infrastructure.

One of the issues surrounding Khadafi is that he changed the laws constantly and was too paranoid to permit the development of functioning institutions..
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I do NOT believe that Gaddafi could have done - all he's accused to have done - ON HIS OWN .

It stands to reason that he must have had considerable amount of willing helpers from those Libyans who believed in him .

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daft punk · Oct 24, 2011

Marlowe said: ↑

Muammar Qaddafi's "opulent living" -- where is the proof?

Mainstream media fail to prove their claim that the Libyan leader "stole the wealth of the country" but on the contrary, show us that they think we are all stupid.

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By E. Boder

The mainstream media want the world to believe that this man, Muammar Qaddafi, has been an evil tyrant who wallowed in opulence at the expense of his "impoverished" people. But when all fantasies are put to one side and the propagandists have ceased their foaming at the mouth, can anything actually be produced as evidence of these claims?

On the 10th of October I read an article by The Telegraph UK which title read "Libyan fighters seize Gaddafi's luxury cars in Sirte". On the self same page was a video purporting to show these so-called "luxury cars":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gfwmaO9PRwI

Now I am no expert on luxury cars, but when I hear the words "luxury" and "car" placed beside one another I think of the latest and greatest Mercedes Benz, Jaguar, Rolls Royce, etc... you know, the kind of cars that the UK, France and the USA have for their politicians... however as soon as my eyes gazed upon this video "evidence" I thought "these people at the Telegraph must think we are all complete morons!"

In the video there are two golf carts and two white cars which look like they are 40+ years old, with no labeling or branding to speak of. Then as the video comes to an end you almost let out a *yelp* as you see that all 4 "luxury cars" are being towed!? I would suggest that all four cars are probably worth about $2000 to $3000 - "Luxury"? - Are you kidding me!?

There are tens of thousands of cars in Libya which are worth many more times than a piece - and they are owned by the Libyan people! The most expensive car I have ever seen Muammar Qaddafi in was a Toyota Land Cruiser (2005, six years old), the type you see driving all across Libya and the entire region for that matter! I have never seen him in anything which could be remotely construed as being a "luxury car", even by Libyan standards!

But let's look at the other material which we are supposed to ingest as proof of Muammar Qaddafi's "lavish lifestyle".

On the 6th of October International Business Times reported again about the "opulent lifestyle once enjoyed by Gadhafi". This time it's a farm with ostriches, "several flocks of camels, cattle, sheep and other livestock." – A farm!? Is it just me or is this getting more and more ridiculous!? The leader of the most well-off nation in Africa has a farm and you want to hang him for having an "opulent lifestyle"???

But wait; there is more in this wealth of an article.

The article goes on to say that when the TNC rebels entered the Bab al-Azizya compound in Tripoli they "unearthed a genuine treasure trove, including ceremonial weapons, bejeweled ornaments, chandeliers and many, many portraits". Jewelry, fancy light fittings and pictures!? The things that visiting dignitaries and heads of state bestow upon those they are visiting - Indeed, what gluttony of wealth... oh, and don't forget the farm!

But, see the luxurious splendor of this lifestyle is not just something Muammar experiences, but his children too.

"His daughter Aisha lived in a gold-themed mansion complete with gilded mermaid sculptures and busts of her own likeness. Over the weekend, Libyan children visited the house to play in Aisha's indoor swimming pool."

*GASP* - Aisha had a "gold-themed mansion"!! For those of you who are wondering, a "gold-themed" anything is all about the lighting and colors emanating a gold hue... wow, how dare she! She also had some "sculptures" and a freakin' "indoor pool"!!!

Hannibal Qaddafi's home was found to have "bottles of expensive wine", "Cristal champagne", "labyrinthine pools and white grand pianos".

Yes, some expensive stuff there for sure. Le'’s not forget that this guy was in fact a business man as well – so yeah, he was good at what he did! So what? There are millionaires all over the world, many of them in very poor nations where the population is actually impoverished, unlike how things were in Libya. But really, you got the guy pegged on some alcohol, a swimming pool and musical instruments!?

Now, on to Saadi and Saif al-Islam... They both loved animals and Saadi "personally owned nine of the 18 lions in the Tripoli zoo", while Saif al-Islam "owned two albino lions... and also kept tigers, gazelles and other exotic pets at his farm".

Can you believe this? Can you actually fathom that the mainstream media is trying to legitimize the bombing of civilians, civilian infrastructure, a sovereign nations' non-aggressing army, and the attempted assassination of this nations leader on the grounds of swimming pools, wine, animals and farms!?

Are these western propagandists on meth!?

Here is another video by Reuters attempting to show the wealth that Muammar Qaddafi "stole" from the Libyan people.

Interesting isn't it that this video shows absolutely nothing, and I mean NOTHING, of value! It's a building surrounded by trees and shrubs, with pictures inside and what could have been a dried out swimming pool outside. If there was any "luxury" why do Reuters not show it!?

Article after article, report after report, video after video... all laying one accusation out after another – but they all have something in common: there is no evidence!

There is no evidence that Muammar Qaddafi treated the Libyan people poorly!

There is no evidence that Muammar Qaddafi stole the wealth of Libya!

There is no evidence that Muammar Qaddafi lived in any way unaccustomed to the way a leader of a proud and wealthy nation and people should or would live!

There is also no evidence that Muammar Qaddafi had, or was going to, kill or hurt the Libyan people!

And yet, without any evidence, NATO and its allies are in their 8th month of destroying this nation, its people, its culture and its truly democratic leadership!

http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=629062?rss

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I am a socialist, something Gaddafi claimed to be. I also opposed the intervention.

You believed him. Sucker, you have been conned.

MrRelevant · Oct 24, 2011

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...llas-booze-jet-skis-hot-tubs-steel-doors.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...8320/Inside-Col-Gaddafis-luxury-airplane.html

http://www.cnbc.com/id/42339716/Gaddafi_s_Assets_Include_Luxury_Homes_Around_World

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