Question for the Heterosexual GLBT supporters

I don't think this is necessarily the case - I, for example, have no desire to dress up as a woman.

That said, I believe that at least part of the reason is that gay people have less to prove, so to speak... I mean, they're already gay, they don't have to worry about someone getting the "wrong idea" if they dress up as a woman. Gay people have no reason to conform to social dichotomies for men and women, or less reason at least. So for most, it's just a matter of having fun and being free, not an actual desire to be or dress as the opposite sex.

And to be clear here, that is not what a transexual is. A transexual is literally someone who feels that they ARE the opposite sex, just given the wrong body. It's not just a matter of dressing up for fun like some homosexuals do (and some heterosexuals). A transexual can be attracted to either gender, so the transexual can be either homosexual, heterosexual or bisexual themselves. In other words, dressing up as the opposite sex or even trying to become the opposite sex doesn't have to do with what sex they are attracted to.

 

One thing that I haven't seen anyone touching on (I might have missed some posts), is that transgenedered people can't have kids. For some people, that is a very important part of whether or not they would have a relationship with someone. As for the whole issue of genitalia, I think most people would be uncomfortable with a transgendered person who is PRE-operative (ie: hasn't had genital re-assignment surgery yet). And I can totally understand that.

 

So I am not a woman to a vast majority of men, including my own father and my brothers, because they have not put their penis inside of me? This is quite an unusual theory you have.

Your theory is rather insane if you ask me, that men must put their penises inside women to prove and assure that they are in fact women.

I just think it's funny that you feel the need to screw everything that has a vagina to prove that it's female in your eyes, I don't understand why people can't just treat others with respect and not persecute them based on whether or not you want to have sex with them.

 

i thought it was because many women like to get used by all of the other ones.

 

oh what Gobbly goog is spread when Lesbian and gay are concidered sexualities ,this is pretty simple if one thinks 'what does SCIENCE SAY?'

Science says and has proof of what it says as distinct from all other lower forms of human thinking .That Human sexuality can be described TOTALLY ,as Hetrosexuality ,Bisexuality ,Homosexuality,all Transexuals [which is NOT a human sexuality in itself ,[TRANS means something stupids who disagree]all Transexuals will be lets see what Science says ,oh yes ,all TRANSEXUALS will be Homosexual ,bisexual or hetrosexual in their heads ,as all human emotions and feeling and thinking is a product of the BRAIN ,not the penis or vagina for that matter ,even though many men particularly think or attempt to think with their penis .

Yes ,kiddies its true ,whats between your legs doesn't determine your sexual orientation ,no the thing in your head is the biggest most powerfull sex organ.

And that is that.


On the question is Gay a sexuality ,NO sorry gay is a POLITICAL outlook and nothing to do with sexuality .


and the same apply's to lesbians as well ,yep Radical Feminist Reactionary middle class Trash thinking!


Gay being the male gender equivalent of course!Radical middle class reactionary trash thinking.


some say that Gay=Homosexuality and some would be ignorant fools .

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oh what Gobbly goog is spread when Lesbian and gay are concidered sexualities ,this is pretty simple if one thinks 'what does SCIENCE SAY?'

Science says and has proof of what it says as distinct from all other lower forms of human thinking .That Human sexuality can be described TOTALLY ,as Hetrosexuality ,Bisexuality ,Homosexuality,all Transexuals [which is NOT a human sexuality in itself ,[TRANS means something stupids who disagree]all Transexuals will be lets see what Science says ,oh yes ,all TRANSEXUALS will be Homosexual ,bisexual or hetrosexual in their heads ,as all human emotions and feeling and thinking is a product of the BRAIN ,not the penis or vagina for that matter ,even though many men particularly think or attempt to think with their penis .

Yes ,kiddies its true ,whats between your legs doesn't determine your sexual orientation ,no the thing in your head is the biggest most powerfull sex organ.

And that is that.


On the question is Gay a sexuality ,NO sorry gay is a POLITICAL outlook and nothing to do with sexuality .


and the same apply's to lesbians as well ,yep Radical Feminist Reactionary middle class Trash thinking!


Gay being the male gender equivalent of course!Radical middle class reactionary trash thinking.


some say that Gay=Homosexuality and some would be ignorant fools .

 

And your entire post is generally BIGOTED and HOMOPHOBIC thinking. (That isn't difficult to figure out.)

 

Johnny ,Johnny ,Jonny as you well know Homophobia isn't a word that describes anything.

now ,back to the GBLT ,as a bisexual human I can verify that the 'b' in gbltiq dosen't mean anything as the GTLIQ community has NO ELECTIONS ,thus dosen't represent anyone and should not be given ANY DEMOCRATIC CREDENTIALS,in modern democratic societies we have these things called POLITICAL PARTIES ,that stand in things called ELECTIONS !

And the communities that these things called POLITICAL PARTIES in facing the ELECTORATE put forward their veiws to THE PEOPLE of the NATION as a WHOLE!

As the gay and lesbian rights MOVEMENT is NOT a political Party but a Lobby group it represents a very small minority of a minority .

now ,the central question that this UNREPRESENTATIVE Lobby group [when was an election held ???,of gay and lesbians even ???]advances is something called 'same sex marriage 'and thats about it!

i would then put to you that the campaign for 'gay marriage 'is in fact a collective of the marriage Industry ,much the same as the NRA advocates for the Rifle and firearms INDUSTRY!

Now, anyone that associates the 'gay and lesbian 'lobby with the question of Oppression of Homosexuals [please note Gay starts with 'G' and homosexual with 'H'when things are spelt different that means they are NOT THE SAME,]

yes, anyone that attempts to confuse the terms of definition of sexuality is trying to carry out a fraud .or is basically ignorant.

so to summarise ,Gay and lesbian POLITICAL lobby group does NOT a sexual orientation make.

Science has that covered as Every human past present and future will in their sexual orientation fall somewhere in the spectrum of sexuality defined by science ,as ,hetro-sexual ,Bi-sexual,homosexual as NORMAL FORMS of human sexuality.

No gay ,no lesbian,No transexual ,no inter-sexual human sexuality has BEEN PROVEN TO EXIST!

my bet is you believe in God as well ?

lesbians don't believe they are Homosexual now do they ????????????


one told me because HOMO=Man ,and all lesbians are man haters by definition saying we live in a Hetrosexist society ,which is a load of CRAP!In fact HOMO=Same ,see the ignorance ??and biggotry?????

Gay = men who hate women

Lesbian=women who hate men !

and you have the gaul to call me predjudice ,thats so so so GAY!

Homosexuality= Normal human sexuality one form of.

Oh and on the question of marriage in general ,well I stand with the classic position in defence of Women and children and call for the abolition of Marriage as a backward oppressive institution of Property rights ,in Capitialist society [which we all live in]marraige and inheritance is one of the mechanisms by which private property and the position of the Capitialist class is perpetuated generation to generation ,yes their are gay and lesbian Capitialists ,johnny and they are just as reactionary as all other .

And all the Polls on this and polls on that are well ,nonsense as the only Poll that really matters in the real world are ELECTION POLLS,and even then they are distorted by a number of factors ,CLASS being chief amongst them .

BTW, some think that having female leaders of capitialist governments is something PROGRESSIVE ,some are ignorant or concious liars!

Mass murdering Maggot Thatcher comes to mind ,she supported apartheid in Sth Africa,Pinochet,and the smashing of trade unions .

not to mention the mass murder of over 350 argentinian sailors in the falklands war which cost over 1000 lives .

lovely poster girl for the feminist movement ,oh the lesbian movement is defined as radical FEMINIST ,Johnny!

 

Wrong, homophobic describes very well, the meaning of the commentary you are sharing these last couple of posts.

You aren't fooling anyone.

 

Are you using the Lesbian radical feminist anti-hetrosexist definition =Man fear,or the other definition Same fear????

question ,to you ,is a lesbian a homosexual female gender??????????

And whats wrong with the definition Homosexual in describing human sexual orientation ?

You never use it and use the derogatory meaning of the Word GAY,instead ,whats the difference between Gay and homosexual ,i say their is ,one is a POLITICAL definition the other normal human sexuality as described by science ,called ,Biology !

Gay and Lesbian Rights movement ,lesbian and gay are not definitions of sexual anything .


for those who may be confused ,being gay or lesbian RIGHTS fighting is a POLITICAL ACT ,not a sexual act!

Born Homosexual choose to be gay and lesbian .

Homophilic I be ,see i use the word Homosexual and i see nothing special about that ,just 1 of 3 forms of human and other species sexuality ,or are you saying that chipanzees ahve gays and lesbians as well ,as many other species of animal ?????


yes ,male chimps have same sex.Its called HOMOSEXUAL orientation not gay or lesbian JOHNNY!

 

What are you even talking about? This post makes no sense at all. Gay men certainly do not hate women. This whole post is nonsense.

 

You say you're bisexual, but then you say the LGBT community hasn't been proven to exist, rendering yourself non-existent, thus creating a paradox.

Plus your whole rant makes absolutely no sense.

 

If Homophobia exists then homophilia must as well ,and as a bisexual I can assure you young man ,that I am not homophobic ,think about it ,penis or Vagina I go either way thats why my sexuality is described as Bisexual !

So the GBTIQL or BGTIQL or is it tuesday sorry the TBGIQL please ring sydney star observer ,Largest LGBTIQ publication as when you read it G and L can appear on either side of B.

Looks stupid maybe because it is ???????

Lgbtiq ,Gbtliq,??????????????????????


oh btw ,intersex is in fact a Medical condition correctable by surgery and in No way a sexuality ,nor a word really!

Who makes that crap up is well beyound the conventions of the english language.

trans sexuality ,is a passing phase not a sexuality ,most of my transexual friends post and pre OP ,are hetrosexuals ???

You do know sexuality is brain determined ,Right????

And has little except for hormone production which effect the BRAIN ,with ones genatials!

 

None of your posts make sense. I don't know what you're trying to say.

 

omg I tried to read it too. It's even worse than trying to read posts that are full of toilets! D8

 

None of it makes sense. So it's not just me?

 

Sorry,yes when dealing with gay and lesbian POLITICS ,they attempt to hide behind acronyms,

Here is the legend ,

L=lesbian feminist radicals ,[man hating women ]

G=Gay Radicals [women hating men ]

B= bisexual [normal human sexuality as described by biology]

T=transexual [normal human with brain thinking male or female ,but body opposite,can be treated with hormones and sex reassignment surgery.man in womans body or vica versa.medical condition essentially.not in itself a sexual orientation .

I =intersexual ,in- complete formationor deformation of genitalia or both sexual organs present ,a medical condition that can be fixed by surgery .much the same as cleft palet .Not a sexual orientation .
Q= queer or questioning of sexual orientation ,or a 'sub culture or nationalism ,yes a nationalism ,that calls for the separation from hetrosexist oppression of homosexuals ,[total post-modernist NUTTY]Political outlook and definitly not a sexual orientation ,Queer culture separate from general culture.

The GBLTIQ Political movement .Google it or go to wikipedia don't believe me but its true some humans ,middle class university radicals in sociology departments mainly and supporters of the United Nations,gobbly goog of a middle class gone batty ,basically.


Hope that helps ,i only really came to know them when I was diagnosed with Hiv and tried to get some services for support ,oh thats the other thing ,the GBLTIQ only really emerged in the early 1980's with the AIDS Pandemic ,yes they take millions in funding and do nothing but advocate for 'Gay marriage ' and treament and support for 'gay men ' STUFF hetrosexuals and bisexuals who get Hiv is their mantra.

have a look at the 'biggest GBLTIQ organisation in Australia.

http://www.acon.org.au/

BTW, the biggest growth of HIV infection in Australia is amongst Bisexual and hetrosexuals ,now over 50% of all new infections ,but as long as the Gay male community is ok then then the GBLTIQ and ACON ,don't give a tinkers cuss,hetro-phobia costs lives.

 

Still makes no sense.

 

Well spotted ,the only true sexuality that is part of the GBLT is in fact Bisexual ,and as a real person with a real sexuality ,unlike lesbian and Gay for instance ,I wish for the 'B' in LGBTIQ to be taken out.

unfortuately as the LGBTIQ dosen't exist except in the demented middle class post-modernist constructionist school of stupidity ,getting the only true sexual definition dropped and my rights not to be associated with this midlle class muddle respected means a lot of work ,and they call me names like homophobe ,see johnny C about that.

any way yopu look at it Gay and lesbian are POLITICAL definitions Nothing to do with Homosexuality ,as they would say Homosexual woman ,or homosexual man for instance ,not gay and lesbian.

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What don't you get then ,have you studied biology and the definitions of sexuality ?????

ask yourself what is Gay ?

that can help!

Or perhaps ask Johnny C to explain the differences between the gay and lesbian Homosexuals and why they have different titles ,and refuse to use the term homosexual like 99.9 % of the rest of educated humanity ?

I will put it straight ,the LGBTIQ Community is a fraud .

gay marriage is a fraud !

And anyone that thinks gay and lesbian are sexual orientations ,or as the educated call them ,sexualities is either uneducated in the science of biology or being conciously deceptive .

 

Stilldon't get it, but I am gay. I have never been with a woman, and I'm 46 years old.

 

What is GAY?

 

gay
/gā/
Adjective
(of a person, esp. a man) Homosexual.
Noun
A homosexual, esp. a man.
Synonyms
merry - cheerful - jolly - joyful - blithe - mirthful

 

No if one uses the most educated and scientific description ,then you are not 'GAY' which can mean you are Happy [look up word meaning book dictionary]and as you are saying something about sexual preference or orientation then you are in Reality ,naturally HOMOSEXUAL ,not GAY!

If you say Homosexual to humans all over the planet we are clear ,you express a form of natural human sexuality .Homo=Same sex attraction ,Sexual.litteral meaning .

What does Gay mean in relation to sexuality ,lots to do with politics hey ,say to a french person that you are Gay ,they would think ,are you happy !

GAY=Confusion ,

Homosexual=Clarity.

Have you heard the term MSM,or men who have sex with men ?

 

So you are in fact by definition a homosexual ,and that is a natural thing just as much as Hetrosexual or Bisexual ,so be Homosexual and proud brother !

Lesbians are Homosexual women BTW!

Lesbians are also inhabitants of the Greek Island of Lesbos ,as well as advocates for man hating feminists.

Only 3 genders exist ,Male female and neuter in all nature.

Plants and animals male and female and neuter,none are lesbian plants ,now are they.

Basically I defend science whereas the radical Post-Scientific or Psuedo-scientific ,attack science.

 

Actually I am a heterosexual female, but you asked what the definition is so I gave it.

And what you're posting still makes no sense to me. What is your point?

 

hello sister ,your sexual orientation as far as being human is irrelevant,my point is born Homosexual ,bisexual or hetrosexual is to be human .

That marriage is not necessary for love ,in fact it is an impediment and the 'gay and lesbian political community'does not represent the voice of homosexuals .They are a fraud and if not exposed as such could very well ,create such a reaction as to be a threat to the homosexual community .

i am a 50year old male ,who happens to be Bisexual ,i have friends of mine who have been discriminated against because of their sexuality ,and I can never prior to the 1990's ever heard any of them voice a desire for Marraige ,in fact i can honestly say the opposite is the truth .


I do not want to see Religious biggots use the confusion created around the 'gay agenda for marraige' open up the homosexual community that I respect and defend to attack .

I get called Homophobe regularly now ,I have HIV ,and am banned from every government funded service because the 'gay community 'see it as a gay disease,and when I say no ,the 'H' in HIV means Human I get smashed even more.

The lesbian and gay movement does not speak for homosexuals at all .They speak for a Middle class priviledged layer ,looking for political recognition and the consequent Cash that flows from it.