a question to all non-conservatives on PF, especially to the ones who post a lot.. Why do u post in this forum? its not like a liberal cud have a proper discussion with a conservative here, nobody ever admits being wrong, everything obama/democrats do is wrong, without exception, ridiculous from mathematical probabilities alone...but also some liberals think they wud always have to defend obama or every other "attack" on liberals/the liberal mindset, don't do that every time, obama is not always right and there are tons of stupid liberals, too. when i read some posts of cons i really can't believe it, this blatant disregard for facts, logic and reality doesn't compute with me; are US conservatives just trolling the world or are they really that stupid? on top of they accuse liberals of being exactly like that the things they claim and the determination with which they do it is quite inconceivable for sane people. i joined this forum to talk international politics, but i soon realized that this, in essence, it is an ultra right wing forum, a place where racists, homophobes and gun-nuts meet...ok, i thought, have a discussion with them - well, that didn't went well, its quite impossible, when u make arguments based on facts, u´ll be met with opinion, logic that doesn't make sense and sometimes bible verses i stopped trying to have discussions with conservatives, its just impossible, i only post my opinion from time to time, thats enough; i read regularly tho, its a form of entertainment for me now, and a source of information to how the intellectual-not-so-blessed from the US are thinking (if u wanna call it that) and to why they keep voting against their own interests... i´ve seen people here claiming slavery was good for blacks, that stalin and/or hitler wasn't bad, that the holocaust never happened, that all muslims are terrorists, that science is fiction, all kinds of sexist and homophobe threads and opinions etc. - usually i think most of us wudnt want ever to be associated with such a place, but i guess since its called "political forum" its ok so, why do you post on PF? especially, why do you regularly engage, or try to engage, with conservatives in discussions? its a sisyphus job...
Not a liberal but I can answer this question. Because if we don't, this forum will die. This is a great forum, I've learned a lot here not just about debating but who I am as a person. I don't want to see where I spent the last 4 years die due to the right. That's the top reason for me. But then there's the second reason. Past all the hatred of a lot of posters, you find the good ones. The ones that actually challenge you to a debate. The partisan hacks are more like an appetizer for the real debators who can make a conversation last all night. So I post for them. Third reason is simple, so I can learn how to debate against those partisan hacks. A person can act all high and mighty in person, but if you can't even respond to the hatred of the common man, you're not much of a debator.
It's fun. Of course it's like playing a video game....it doesn't "mean" anything in the real world, any more than winning medals in "Call of Duty" or amassing piles of gold in "World of Warcraft" (or whatever). Plus it's been fun seeing the Right do exactly what I predicted they would do in 2008 when Obama was elected, and especially if he was re-elected (which he was) in 2012..... go completely crazy. With impeachment a loser politically for the GOP (so much so they try to claim talk of it is a "Democratic scam")......and the horrific idea of a two term Democratic President "book-ending" (Clinton, Obama) each side of the disasterous two terms of Dubya.....plus (for certain rightwingers) the image of a black guy as President of "their country"..... and their drive for "purity in the Party" (not stymied by the RNC, sadly)..... the Right has become increasingly hysterical....in both senses of the word.
Largely to correct terrible spelling and grammar. Other than that, I post here because it's interesting to get different opinions of various topics. I don't like the extremists of any colour but sometimes respond to them to highlight the flaws in their extremisms, not as much in expectation of changing their views (certainly not for them to admit it) but to present a little balance to other people reading the threads. There's nothing fundamental about conservatives in general that makes them bad correspondents (or bad people in general) though my preference would be to talk with people who don't label themselves as conservative, liberal or anything like that. It usually seems to negatively colour discussions.
I think that is as bigoted as the Conservatives who claim the same thing about liberals. Most Conservatives are more like most Liberals than not. On PF of course, the shrillest posters post most often- and the most extreme of the Left and the Right are not interested in any dialogue- mostly they are interested in spewing their hatred towards other humans- namely anyone who disagrees with their particular ideology. An example of a conservative here who you can engage with and is willing to have a discussion? Marine1.
It certainly is a right-wing forum. I basically just come here to do two things: 1) Dispel the right-wing myths. 2) To see how the other half lives. The ultra-conservative extremists on this site do not represent the average American. I think that the average American would be appalled at some of the horrible things that they say. This site is a right-wing playground where they frolic in their hate, ignorance and lies. Thankfully, these old, hateful hicks are impotent and have no real power.
lot of accusations and opinions with not one shred of evidence but typical for any liberal post there are trolls on both sides that will post something stupid just to get a reaction but the trolls seam to be heavily on the liberal end of the forum community so don't judge the multitude of the right leaning forum posters on the very few trolls there are and I wont try to judge you on the majority of the forum trolls that are on the left And next time you think you see a right leaning forum poster say something that is untrue that you are trying to claim happens so often call him out on it you will be surprised he will more then likely back it up with facts undisputed facts much more then I can say about forum members that are on the left
well, obviously i meant mainly conservatives on PF, and with discussion i meant responding to the arguments of the other side and not only claiming premises u pulled out of your arse; and as far as i have tried this is actually impossible here, that is just my experience here... ...and always with the spelling at least the one in this thread contributed too, but that seemed to be always a very popular "argument" to end the "discussion" with me; as if i wud need to have a research-paper-like grammar and spelling on a racist forum everybody knows what i wanna say...
"back it up with facts"? thats funny, most conservatives here don't even acknowledge a scientific consensus... we must be reading different threads i guess, i have never experienced what u r claiming
As a conservative, I note that pretty much all arguments based on facts are met with opinion. My observation is that liberals are the worst at it (they tend to avoid facts like a plague), but it is due to my perspective.
I have a need to express myself and to learn about other things. I hate partisan crap to no end and I'm really burnt out on it right now. I want to discuss things, and maybe, hopefully, find real solutions and resolve things. But it's more fun and entertaining to hurt people by yelling and screaming at them. And i disagree that it means nothing. It does mean something to some people. What it means though, I couldn't tell you. It's a mentality I do not understand at all, even though I've heard many reasons for it. And if ti doesn't mean anything then it's a waste of time. But... What's the point of having opinions and beliefs if you can't express them and discuss them and nothing gets done or resolved? I just can't see it. I don't like hurting people. I find no joy in it. But sometimes, when that's all there is, it's a very hard thing to rise above it because it will make you a target for these people and they'll just keep at you until they get what they want, which is to see people in pain. I don't know why people get off on seeing other people in pain. And that's one thing that is hurting America, because far too many people out there do this.
I've been debating politics since 1995 ... They're the same everywhere. No one ever changes their mind and Democrats are to blame for everything. You get used to it.
I saw John Wayne as your Avatar and North Carolina as your Home-State and instantly thought you would have been ultra Right-Wing, you almost scared me there mate . On topic, I've been perusing some of the threads here, and more than half of my little posts have been in arguments with 2nd Amendment supporters, who took no time in replying to my thread-topic, but strangely there have been some really extreme Right-wing topics that go unnoticed. Such as one (can't remember where it was, I'll find it should anyone be curious) that was celebrating Adolf Hitler's birthday, and revering him as the greatest man to have ever lived, that thread was viewed by many, but received no replies...
Also, just a note to the OP, people will be more inclined to take your thread and replies within it more seriously if you pay a little more attention to your grammar and spelling. Kind of adds a credulous air about your opinions, and reinforces their belief in your intelligence. At least capitalization mate. (I'm usually not a grammar Nazi, but thought it necessary here so I dug the jackboot in). Cheers mate.
Yes, OP, if you wish to appear as intelligent as the author of the above appears to me just now, you'd surely do well to follow his example.
We mostly agree. Democrats and establishment Republicans are to blame for everything. The supremes are the worst.
Hitler was a national socialist. He was a totalitarian. He fits in your camp. On one side we have the totalitarians (this may be the side you are on). On the other are those who continue the fight for individual freedoms and individual liberty.
*Credible... dammit. That's the first time in all my Grammar-Nazi political career that has ever happened to me... I'll concede to that being a shameful error. I've been out in the ice on the Eastern front for quite some time mein Obergruppenfuhrer! Last night we lost an entire bottle of Bourbon!
Because I advocate for responsible gun sales and mandatory licensing in which to reduce firearm-related deaths in your country, I'm a Nazi... Yes, indeed, I'm capable of untold massacres, suppression and containment of any resistance. Because I'm a "totalitarian" I care not about the common man, listen, you going out to the range and firing off a few shots doesn't protect your bloody freedoms. Have a look at this - top 3, no irresponsible gun ownership: http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking. Liberty... Jesus Christ I've grown to associate such a positive word with such a negative connotation.
If you like. national socialist are on your side. And, apparently, you are on theirs. Totalitarians, like you, put individual liberty into second place behind an all powerful state. I can tell that you despise liberty. You despise people who remain free. Australia? I thought you guys would appreciate a bit of liberty. I suppose not.
