I read your answer, and you cheated by adding your own variable. You said you would choose the girl because you probably knew her. Cheating aside, your answer still proves the point. You could not have "known" an embryo. They are unidentifiable. The girl is though; she has a personality and she can respond to you, because she has a brain. She is a person. An embryo is not equal to the girl. Even 30 of them are not equal.
How much you wanna bet that even if he didn't know the girl he'd still choose her over a bunch of embryos? Because you know, any sane person actually would. Deep down inside they know embryos are not people they just want to force women to give birth for choosing sex. That's really all it comes down to.
Except that it is the law of the land. If there is no law that makes something illegal, it is not illegal. If it's legal, it's the law. There's no law that specifically states I can cut my grass while shading myself with a parasol, but I'm perfectly within my rights to do so just the same. Supreme Court decisions are also the law. It's why abortion was illegal prior to Roe, and legal after it. It's why schools were desegregated back in the 50s and 60s. It's why Obamacare was not thrown out in it's entirety.
You sound like Steve Martin's bit on "How to have a million dollars and pay no taxes" "First...get a million dollars.....now...." ROFLMAO
idk where you get this idea in your head that it's impossible to ban substances made by chemical companies.... or that it's impossible to ban anything people will just do it anyways. that just defys logic and proves you have no idea what you are talking about
I added no variables.... I could see the girl as a full human person. Just seeing another person alone gives you a deeper connection with them. Just as its easier to blow up a building with a person in there easier than stabbing them face-to-face. its human nature. That being said. does that mean fertilized eggs DESERVE to be destroyed? of course not.... your argument makes no sense.
Fertilized eggs don't deserve to be saved either and they certainly don't deserve more rights than the women who carry them. They only have as much value as the woman gives them.
you do realize that everyone of these pictures has been proven as fake don't you .. fake as in they are not abortions, but are removals via surgery of fetuses that have died in the womb. To post them here is a direct insult to the woman who had to go through the procedure and as such you should be ashamed of yourself, next time, before you rush of and just grab the first thing thrust in front of you do the research and find out if what you are posting is in fact the truth. All of these pictures have been studied by professionals and they all say the same thing, all of these pictures are of post 24 week fetuses, they have gauged this on the size and development. Further investigation followed and it was found they were all removals due to womb death. People like you make me sick, you preach to others without having the slightest understanding of what you are talking about, you browse a few web-sites and take all you see as the absolute truth .. you are no more standing up for woman's rights than the slave owners were protecting the slaves. I've also found the the loudest of your type are usually the ones with the most religion, the same ones who want all homosexuals to be locked away or, worse, executed. You have no understanding of the fundamental rights of the individual to have control over their own body and until post 24 weeks the fetus is still part of that persons body, it cannot survive independently.
proven false by which "experts" lmfao... you? the one preaching for population control? youre no different than the nazis who were saying jews were just creatures that cause problems and need to be exterminated
Not at all by me, by pediatricians (you do know what they are I presume) your other comment is disgusting, especially as you have no knowledge of me or what my ancestors suffered at the hands of the nazi's .. you are obviously not mature enough to engage in a debate of this nature, allowing your emotions to rule your logic and as such should be treated with the utter contempt you deserve. Would you please show me where I "preach population control" .. where as I can show you many comments where you advocate enslaving woman to the whims of uneducated people such as yourself. Tell me how the hell are you going to stop a woman getting a back street abortion, which in all likely hood will kill, not only the fetus, but her as well. are you happy to be included in what you blame others for - murder, because if you get your way that is what you are doing. How dare you be so presumptuous as to decide how an individual person should treat their body .. the fetus is still part of a woman's body until it reaches the time it can be an independent life ie around 24 weeks. In essence you know nothing but your own addled opinions. finally if I am a nazi, you are like a pedophile, forcing others to bend to your will with no thoughts to the effects it has.
by your standards police officers are pedofiles because they stop murders? idc if your family suffered from the nazis, you dont deserve sympathy because you pass that suffering onto others now that you are not the one being oppressed....
you are wrong, yet again, police officers enforce the law .. abortion is not illegal, yet you wish to force your version of what is right onto other people I didn't think you would care, all you care about is enforcing your own opinion onto others without the slightest knowledge of what you are talking about . .blinded, deluded and a zealot are what springs to mind with you. It ironic that you use the word oppressed when what you are advocating would oppress millions of woman wordwide .. you have more in common with the nazi's than I ever will.
how is woman not killing their babbies oppression? does that mean all women were oppressed for thousands of years when there was no abortions??? the idea that giving birth to a child is oppression is an idea from the spawn of satan himself, you are just one of his followers.
No, not all women, just the ones who were forced to give birth and did not want to, but couldn't do anything about it. There have been natural substances that can be used to cause abortion for thousands of years I believe. It's pretty insane to believe they've never been used prior to Roe V Wade. Abortion did not come into existence in the 1970s, it's been around for quite some time.
so are all animals oppressed because they dont kill their own young like that? Abortion came with a mindset that a child is evil. you can look through the history of time children werent considered a problem people and animals never thought twice about giving birth to their kid and raising it, thats nature. the idea that children are punishments and evil was an idea a few idiots thought of and threw the idea around and it stuck to the weak minded. abortion isnt natural...
Some animals eat their young. Others abandon them. Some kill their mate, effectively making them single parents. Still others eat the young of other animals. If you're going to bring animals into the debate, realize that animals have patterns that span the entire spectrum of death. No it doesn't, you're making that up. And when was this? Surely you can back up this claim. My examples above clearly show that all types of death are natural, and therefore, part of nature. The rest of what you wrote is just a subjective insult. You seem to have quite a bit of those, but you're pretty light on facts and details. Neither is keeping premature babies alive through advanced medical technology. Pretty sure sonograms, artificial incubators, and cameras small enough to be inside a womb don't exist in nature either, which is what the definition of natural is. Should we outlaw those on that basis too?
still no abortion though.... Keeping people alive = good technology ending innocent people's lives = evil technology
Not to mention some animals can delay birth or self abort if conditions are not favorable for having their offspring. For example rabbits and armadillos will delay egg implantation until conditions are favorable and if they do not become favorable she will self abort. Gazelles will drop their pre-born young when being chased by hyenas so she can escape and so on. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion#In_other_animals I always have to laugh when people pull the 'it isn't natural' garbage out of their bums. Neither is a C-Section but we do those on the regular with no debate! I wonder if they'd rather we just leave women be who need a C-section and allow them to naturally die in childbirth instead. The 'it isn't natural' argument is such a stupid one.
is amazing how you wriggle like an eel whenever someone shows how stupid your arguments are, changing the focus of what you are saying by introducing other things that you seem to think bolster your opinion. If you want natural, then how about we stop abortion and give the mother the oppertunity to eat her new born, after all that happens quite a bit in nature with animals. So far in this debate (& others) you have been shown to have little understanding of abortion laws, you have posted fake abortion pictures, you have tried to conjure up anything you think will bolster your opinion. You are in fact false in the extreme, and as such should be treated as nothing more than a troll.
You honestly can never call my argument stupid when im for saving innocent lives while you are for destroying them...
