Race and Crime

Progressive Leftists are a good place to start. That's where you'll find the majority of modern Western racists.

 

Some Leftist ideas are positive -- Welfare State, gun control, etc.

Totalitarian Left also originated from mostly English-Speaking World.

 

Very few are positive, in the 21stC.

They're a disaster for the West. They're imposing (from beyond politics, and from within politics) Slow Genocide.

 

I would never agree that those who can not produce should not have a Right to Life.

 

Do you have any scientific evidence behind this or are you babbling?

 

Absurd.

 

Sort of ignores the propensity for oriental and white populations to wage brutal and violent war and institute mass murder (WWI, WWII, American Civil War, Stalin's Purges, Mao's mass murders, brutal civil wars in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, 500 years of war between France, Britain and Spain, The Papal Wars ...
goes on and on ...

Instead of gang wars, it's massive national wars.

Rationalizing racism and bigotry is still racism and bigotry.

 

Rationalizing racism and bigotry is still racism and bigotry.

 

Yeah, it's called reality. The many millions who live in deepest poverty, compared to the richest in the world - Americans.

I've no doubt you'd prefer the brutal reality to be 'babbling', though. Let me ask you how believing such an outright nonsense (that poverty causes crime) is actually helping Americans. Is it motivating them to look at the way they're raising their kids and do better? Or does it provide a handy excuse to avoid changing?

 

I thought not.

 

Are you literally going to pretend that the millions of incredibly poor people in places like India/Bangladesh etc, are running around being impulsive and doing crime? If so, I'm embarrassed for you.

 

Crime is committed by individuals and not by races. This emphasis on group identity is really starting to make me sick. Collectivism and tribalism are the main reasons contemporary society is a mess.

Race has no fundamental role in anything at all and is largely an anti-concept with little significance and relevance in the real world.

 

This is very true and attributing crime to poverty is just another form of determinism that is just as vicious and evasive of reality as it is to attribute it to race.

Correlation is never to be mistaken for causality. Although there might be a perceived correlation between poverty and crime, poverty is not what is essential to the issue. It is not the cause.

It is indeed cultural. However, people tend to not like hearing that because they view "culture" as something that imprisons the individual and as chains they cannot break free from. Just because you were born into- or grew up in a toxic culture, it does not mean you are deemed to a life of toxcity because there is this thing called free will.

 

Reprint from Black Folks--Listen Up
So what you are saying is "black culture" is the cause of crime? The 55% of African Americans who are middle class and above and members of that culture, I would wager, consider that a racist statement. Poverty or near poverty anywhere in the world, no matter the race, has an increased incidence of crime.
9% whites live in poverty and 22% blacks live in poverty...just saying

 

No, that is not at all what I said. In fact, I never mentioned any race in my point about "toxic culture" - I only mentioned toxic culture.

And fact is that there is a lot of toxicity in "the hood" where young boys idolise degenracy and look down upon hard work and independence. This applies to the "White Trash" too.

I thought I made it very clear in my post that there is zero relation between race and crime and that I do not even believe in the concept of race, so where you drew your conclusions from is a mystery to me.

No, Middle class African Americans do not share any kind of culture with the "Crips n Bludz" and the only one being racist here is you for suggesting that.

 

I beg your pardon, I was arguing with someone on another thread who blamed black crime on black culture, but your argument continues with "culture". 22% of blacks live in poverty and that is a toxic environment. Living in a toxic environment distorts and lessens life choices. Making ones choices bad and the best choices are the least bad. Do the well off, the middle class have a crime problem? Crime is at its greatest where poverty exists. Is that because of a "culture" or the effects of poverty?

 

Criminal people have crime problems. It is neither a class issue nor a racial one.

 

Agreed it is not a racial issue, but a "criminal problem"? You give them a label but not a cause. Suppose everyone were middle class or above would there still be a "criminal problem"? It seems to be a class problem.

 

If "everyone" was "middle class", they would - per definition - not be middle class.

Poverty does not make you criminal. We are not talking about a homeless mothes who knicks a loaf of bread to feed her children here, we are talking about young men who are out shotting each other, dealing drugs and/or committing other forms of atrocities and that is not caused by poverty, but rather by bad values, awful role models and toxic ideas.

The governments of all Western countries have spent millions and millions of dollars to "create oppurtunities", improve the schools and on welfare checks in the poor neighbourhoods, yet crime rates have not decreased.

One thing is for certain and that is that you can never become middle class if your aim in life is to be destructive.

 

Neither of those ideas is intelligent or positive.

 

Exactly. If you admit that crime is a choice, you're then forced to admit that you (or those you want to protect) have chosen to do crime.

 

This is utter bullsh!t, Edna. The world is teeming with incredibly poor people ... MUCH poorer than the poorest Americans ... and they're not choosing crime. They live decent, quiet, law abiding, family lives, despite their terrible circumstances.

 

I will not accuse you of dodging the issue only misunderstanding it. Let me put it another way. If there were no poverty would there be a "crime problem" to the degree it is now?
Poverty creates a criminal element. Of course not everyone in poverty turns to crime, only a small percentage do, but the common element is poverty and illicit attempts to get out of it.
The crime rate has decreased. It is at a 30 year low. If you listen to nothing but the right-wing media you wouldn't know.

 

Yes. Certainly.

No, no, no. I am sorry, but "the common element" is not poverty. Neither is it race nor gender or any other inate characteristics. Crime is a choice.

 

Oh, so that's why we see so many soccer dads choosing to knock over a liquor store? Or is it the guy who can't pay his rent?