Real Freedom Fighters in Syria

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  1. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is no humor to be found in this, and that you do so indicates a complete lack of understanding:


    http://www.ploughshares.org/world-nuclear-stockpile-report?gclid=CNSmi4SXobkCFdFDMgodXXwAww

    I may very well be the U.S. has lessened the number of nuclear weapons in the arsenal.....yet one alone would be a terrible thing to contemplate.

    Added to this are the equally (if not as blanket) weapons at our disposal. Anyone forcing the hand is simply gone.....period. Either the county or individual is removed. For this reason the United States is respected out of fear....there is a reason an aircraft carrier off the coast makes a difference.

    Crazy ass Lunatics blew up a couple buildings and we screwed up an entire region on the world in retribution....crazy folks with big guns are not to be messed with.
     
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    There is not, has never been and never will be freedom in a koranimal country. pisslam does not allow it.
     
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    Why nobody can ever f**k with USA:

    United States Nuclear Forces:
    ACTIVE/RESERVE
    1,654 strategic nuclear warheads on 792 deployed ICBMs, SLBMs, and strategic bombers
    2,800+ Non-deployed strategic arsenal.
    500 warhead Tactical nuclear arsenal.

    RETIRED/STOCKPILE
    10,500+ warheads retired and awaiting dismantlement schedule. Peak stockpile 32,040.

    CHEMICAL STOCKPILE
    31,100 metric tons (30,609 long tons) of nerve and mustard agents declared in 1997. 89.75% of the original stockpile destroyed, 3,500 metric tons kept.

    BIO-DEFENSE STOCKPILE
    Classified.
     
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    FYI: Be cool about making up funny names about islam. I was asked to stop using the word "muzzie" by the moderators a few days ago. Basically we have to show our disdain for islam without using non-standard references. We can put things like "peaceful islam" in quotes, or refer to people, places, and things in a lower case instead of upper case; but we cannot make up names that would be insulting. We can also show references to articles that discuss mohammed raping an 8 year old virgin baby, etc. but the websites should show factual statistics. Also be careful about name calling any of the Jew haters and America haters. We are asked to keep away from personal attacks as much as possible. BTW - Welcome to PF.
     
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    USSR and USA were not comfortable with too many thousands of active missiles pointing at each other. At one point between the two of us the stockpile was close to 75,000 weapons. FAS says USA keeps about 7,700 ready to go, Russia keeps 8,500 ready to go, and the rest are not in any way operational and are going to be scheduled to be destroyed once the two countries can agree on how to police that. I cannot imagine it would take long to take a fully retired stockpile and bring it back to active. Where could the fissile material possibly go? We took WW II battleships out of retirement and pounded Iraq in Desert Storm and I think we got Missouri and Wisconsin up and running and retrofitted with brand new technology in about 6 months.
     
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    Making "stupid money" is fun; but now might be a good time to G T F O. I told my brother and his family they can come to USA and leave Israel; but my sister in law says Israel has a policy of not letting citizens leave Israel during a time of war. OTOH, my brother is IDF and he says he really wants to stay and kick some butt.
     
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    You can't kick a SCUD missile.
     
  8. SyrianGirl1982

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    IDF can't even stop a home made Qassam rocket made by some Palestinian teenager in Gaza

    LOL
     
  9. AboveAlpha

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    You do not understand my purpose and why I am going to this region...and believe me if I did not owe a serious debt to a close friend....and I have told him this is the LAST TIME he can use this debt as after this all debts will be paid in full....if I did not owe him I would not be going.

    Money....is not even a consideration.

    I and my Team have a very well known....reputation. This reputation is specific to being fair....unaligned...except to the U.S....steady....consistent...and we are known NEVER to jump to conclusions or be trigger happy.

    We are also known to be....effective in the extreme.

    Now the reason I was asked for is because the various sides and groups know I will not take sides and look at everything and make a decision as far as to how everything will play out that all sides can agree to.

    The problems only happen when someone decides to side step procedure because of various reasons and when this happens....we are...unforgiving.

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  10. AboveAlpha

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    You know...the main difference between you and I is that when I post....I will point out the good and bad of all sides. I will give another country or group it's due if credit is justified.

    Now...you might think that I am some Go USA...I hate ASSAD....American...but I am not. If there was or is something that the Syrian Military had or could do well I would point it out.

    Now YOU on the other hand....will Blindly Cheer On and OVERSTATE the capabilities of Assad's Military....and you do this constantly.

    You also have made disparaging remarks as far as the IDF capabilities...and you do this because you hate Israel not because you actually think the IDF would loose a war with Syria.

    Now...unlike you...I do not have the LUXURY of either understating or underestimating any group or countries Military Capabilities because the LIVES of my TEAM and MYSELF depend upon my decisions as well as my reputation.

    My reputation being a FAIR, COMPREHENSIVE and JUST Broker or Moderator hold more water and is more beneficial and effective in keeping us alive that our ability to KICK ASS.

    Now I know that the reason I am still alive even though I have been to this area of the world doing fairly the same thing I have always done for decades...is because all sides and all groups understand that my being around is a lot better for them than my being dead.

    As well...they also understand that I am no Wallflower and they had better bring everyone and their A-Game if they intend to catch me with my pants down. And even if by some twist of fate someone got to me....all sides understand that the retribution for such an act is just not worth carrying out such an act.

    My point is....Syrian Girl....you would better serve yourself and your cause by simply talking about the FACTS AND REALITIES than either making something us...or spreading propaganda....or denying a true claim by another that places your side in a bad light and despite the proof....you deny it.

    If you went on this board and simply stated..."I know that Assad is a Dictator like his father and it is known and there is much proof linking him to torture, murder, stolen funds and other atrocities....still....when given the options of more years of Assad ruling Syria....or the possibility that a Jihad like Strict Islamic State could arise if Assad is removed....I would rather allow Assad to remain in power."

    Now...Syrian Girl....a statement like I posted above is a statement that if came from you...perhaps not all people would agree with it...but they would....RESPECT YOU FOR IT AND RESPECT YOUR POSITION.

    But when you post in a manner of BLIND FAITH in Assad....a petty murderous small man....who will be seen in History as a Pimple on the ASS of LIFE.....it gains you no respect from other members.

    Now...I will in a few days....be in the region....doing what I do...and I am VERY good at it.

    I have been asked to come in as a Broker of a possible DEAL involving 5 sides....and perhaps 6.

    I will do everything I can and use all my knowledge and experience to get all sides to arrive at a decision to make a deal which I would then broker...if that happens I will probably end up staying in the region till late October.

    If things fall through....and as much as I would prefer to come home quickly...I would rather be able to save lives...if it all goes to pot....it will be because certain sides will not be looking at FACTS AND REALITIES and instead will only be thinking of themselves and not their people.

    If THAT happens....and if a certain side in particular might happen to be the reason for an agreement that all sides but that one agree to and because one side dissents....the whole thing falls apart......IF THAT HAPPENS....and if it is that one side making things disintegrate....

    ...........I will either be home very soon....OR....I will be asked to do perhaps one more...JOB....since I and my Team are already there anyways.

    AboveAlpha
     
  11. SyrianGirl1982

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    Why should I have to apologize for something that Assad and SAA have allegedly done. Assad government has given Syria a very stable society that was not religious based one. We had freedoms to do what we wanted , when we wanted and how we wanted. If one did not speak up too much about politics and went on in their daily life, then your life would be good. Ba'ath has done a great job modernizing Syria and empowering women + religious minorities. We have a country with a rich country and rich history. I am a firm believer in secular Ba'ath ideology. Prior to this crisis and civil war, I did not care about politics and never discussed it. I was a Ba'ath Party supporter and voted for Assad. I believe no doubt he is the best thing for Syria. Syria is fighting against a massive foreign campaign of terror and war, and Assad would not survive this if he did not have support of Syrians. Like I said before I believe ONLY in secular Syria, women empowerment, and minority equal rights. Assad and Ba'ath provided what I was seeking and I never complained. What I always feared was an introduction of Wahhabi ideology into Syrian mainstream society, and we see that is happening. We see the Christians are persecuted by the terrorists. We see the Shia's and Alawite's are executed because they are considered subhuman by the wahhabis. We see the destruction of churches and mosques and temples on video by al-qaeda. Because of this , I will ALWAYS support Ba'ath and Assad.

    Saudi Arabia and Qatar have already told Russia that their plan for post-Assad Syria includes the establishment of Sharia Law, strict Islamic code "Taliban Style ". Christians will be forced to convert or beheaded, women will be forced to marry the victorious terrorists as reward. Women will be forced to give up education , ability to drive, go outside alone and will have to wear black veils showing only the eyes. This will mean my life might as well be over because I can never live in such Syria. SAA will deploy chemical weaapons , biologicala weapons, tanks, artillery, jets, on a massive scale against the enemy if the total collapse of Syria is near. Either there will be a Secular Syria under Ba'ath or there will not be Syria. There will not be any Islamic caliphate, wahhabi governed Syria.


    I never claimed Syrian Army would defeat the IDF. If Syrian Army was equal to IDF , then Israel would not be constantly attacking Syria.

    Go ahead and compare Syrian defense budget vs Israeli defense budget. Syria was not prepared for any war and cut it's defense spending in half in the last decade. Israel receives free weapons worth billions from the USA and Europeans. Syria has not received free weapons and equipment since the late 1980s during cold war. In 1972 the Syrian Army fought Israel very well and it was considered a draw by many experts.
     
  12. Injeun

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    Why do so many blame Assad for the cold winds of war when it is the rebels who opened the door....and are keeping it open. The Assad government/military isn't bombing Syrians. It is bombing rebels because they are trying to bring down the government. If civilians get killed, then common sense and reason dictate that the rebels are responsible for those civilian deaths. Try overthrowing the US government and see what happens. The exact same thing, more or less, as in Syria. If one is to side with the rebels, then so be it. But don't base your support on BS. But why any American would support Al-Qaeda rebels who hate America is irrational and dumb as hell.
     
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    I understand that your reasons for supporting the Assad Regime.

    What I can't understand is why you do not hope for more?

    I mean...is it that you are afraid to be a part of a Free, Democratic Syria as this is the aspirations of all people.

    As far as Syrian Military Forces....The IDF is far superior and when the IDF had issues fighting Syrian Forces it was because the IDF did not use overwhelming force...as they have the capability to do so...but to do so could draw the ire of the U.S.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Don't laugh too loudly, how do you know they didn't fire the rocket themselves and let it come in for propaganda purposes.........poor little Israelis beseiged by crazies thing?

    The Alpha guy claims to be so fair and level headed, yet his words reveal an ancient prejudice against the Rights of Man as laid down by Moses.....( 10 Commandments) Man's Right to Life, Property and Truth.

    Above Alpha accuses the President of Syria to be a murderer. Everyone is supposed to believe this.

    Under the Talmudic Noahide laws that the USA has adopted, all goyim can be accused by 1 witness, and the accused can present no evidence to the contrary.
    The accusing witness is not required to speak the truth.

    This is the attitude of the US officials and the US news media. They did it towards Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Sudan, and now Syria.

    So you cannot reason with these kind of people. Reasoning to them is surrender to their accusations, just as democracy is surrender to the cutthroats.

    These sorts talk of a "Free, Democratic Syria as this is the aspirations of all people." What they don't tell you is that they are free to kill you because they voted to kill you because this is the aspiration of the people who count.....and it's not their victim who is considered "all people" since goyim are mere animals, not people.

    Look at how they howl about democracy in Egypt and seek to reinstate some elected official, no matter that he is fully engaged in sectarianism, hatred, slaughter, lies, and plunder against most Egyptians......who he considers to be mere goyim.

    The Real Constitution in Syria and Egypt is being upheld by the military in both countries. The real Constitution is the security and safety of the Egyptian people, especially the goyim. Public security and safety is superior to all elections and politicians to the contrary.

    Democracy is the right of some mob to overthrow the Rights of Man.
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    Saudis have already decided they want an Islamic Caliphate and Wahhabism in Syria. They admitted this to Putin and warned him they will use the Chechens if he does not abandon Syria.

    Free, Democratic and most importantliy (Secular) Syria will not exist if this Syrian government collapses. I am not even telling you to listen to me, just read what is going on in opposition controlled areas. Read what kind of nightmare has been going on in Ar-Raqqah. There is Al-Qaeda running the city and the oil fields. They have been given permission to rape women as reward. They have killed all Christians and destroyed Churches. A famous Catholic Priest Paolo Dall'Oglio went to Raqqah to try to open dialogue with the Islamists running the city. He hated Assad and supported the opposition. Guess what happened to him? They kidnapped him, and beheaded him. It was not enough that he supported the rebels and hated Assad, he was killed for his faith. I wonder what he was thinking in the last moments before being beheaded. Did he realize the enormous mistake he make by siding with that side??

    Read what is going on in West Aleppo, where terrorists execute people for not knowing quran or for simply not giving them free coffee. They even banned croissants because its "western conspiracy food".

    Read Christian testimony on what went on in Al-Qussayr prior to SAA / Hezbollah liberation of it. Christians and Shias were tortured, beheaded, abused, and forced to convert. One Christian girl was raped hundreds of times and then she went insane. She was found dead by Hezbollah after committing suicide. Go ahead and watch videos of how Syrian people celebrated when SAA / Hezbollah arrived in Al-Qusayr to rescue them. There was pure joy. It is not hard to figure out which side is the better side in this conflict.


    [video=youtube;tGZehPlJYc4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=tGZehPlJYc4[/video]
     
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    Peaceful Shia demonstrators in Bahrain were calling for equal rights and more freedom. They did not fire one shot, did not burn one building, did not threaten anyone. They marched peacefully on the streets and guess what happened. They were shot at , thousands arrested, even doctors were arrested for treating the wounded. Lawyers were arrested and imprisoned for helping provide support. That is not enough, Saudi Arabia send its army to Bahrain and brutally crushed any protest.

    Result : Media silence. Not one peep from Obama, Cameron or Hollande. Nothing was condemned , and protesters were not labeled democracy activists. Why? Because Bahrain and Saudis are US allies.

    In Syria even in first weeks government buildings were burned, party offices attacked, people thrown out of windows and burned. Police stations fire bombed, policemen killed and lynched.

    Result? Silence by the media and Obama

    Next step: Syrian Army and Police fire back and try to regain control of cities.

    Result? Assad is an evil dictator , he is oppressing his own people, look at them shooting poor innocent civilians!
     
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    Ivan...let me ask you....can you provide me one quoted example of something I have posted that you can provide proof that my statement is a LIE or a FABRICATION or is in anyway an ancient prejudice against the Rights of Man ...as you have stated above?

    To my knowledge I have NEVER posted a single sentence that could be proven to be any of the above and I challenge YOU to post such a statement by me.

    Now...I am going to a place I really have no desire to be going. I do this because a long time ago in a place I cannot talk about doing something I can also not talk about....a man who would become a close friend....agreed to do something I asked him to do which was very dangerous.

    Because this now friend did this request of mine...I am here...and several other men are still alive as well.

    I call very few people CLOSE FRIENDS and this man is called this because what I asked him to do...only one in a MILLION PEOPLE would have done it....and perhaps only one in a BILLION....would have trusted me never having met me before.

    This man who I call friend....looked at the situation....calculated the risks....determined in just a moment that to wait and try to figure out a better course of action than what was my requested plan would only lower everyone's chances of survival....then he looked into my eyes and said...."I'll do it....you can thank me by buying me a Beer when this is all over."....then he just....DID IT!

    Understand....how rare a person of such character and intelligence is and more than that...how RARE such a person who thinks about the welfare of OTHERS before thinking of himself....and how even still rare such a person is to be able to just...KNOW...that the person who he has never before met and is asking so much of him....is making the right call.

    I know without a doubt if it was anyone else besides my now friend that would have been there and been the one asked to do this act....I and my Team would be dead.

    Now I told you all of this so you could understand that when my close friend asks something of me....I am there...and I TRUST HIM COMPLETELY....when he tells me...."I know you hate going there but we really need your specific expertise."

    I have no desire to EVER see anyone hurt or killed or worse. I ALWAYS attempt to do things that will be PEACEFUL in their nature and the VERY LAST THING I WILL EVER DO....is pull a trigger.

    Now...you can label me whatever you want....but if some of the people that I have dealt with in the past and some of these people I have had to unfortunately....retire....were in the position I have been in and in a few days will be in again....and YOU....your family and your interests were at stake and you had a choice between the BROKER either being ME....or some people on the other sides of the issue....YOU TELL ME WHO YOU WOULD RATHER HAVE?

    Now Ivan....I am asking you an HONEST QUESTION....and I would appreciate an HONEST ANSWER....I will know if it is honest or not.

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    If you haven't noticed, the U.S. supports the Sunnis & not the Shia Bloc stretching from Iran-Iraq & who have close ties with the Assad regime. The opposition forces consist of:

    Syrian Opposition National Coalition
    PM: Ghassan Hitto


    National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary & Opposition Forces
    - President: Ahmad Jarba
    - VP Riad Seif & Suheir Atassi

    Syrian National Council- Istanbul, Turkey


    Free Syrian Army- General Salim Idris
    - Liwaa al-Umma
    - Al-Tawhid Brigade


    Syrian Turkmen Brigades- Ali Basher & Col Muhammad Awad


    Al-Nusra Front: Ahrar al Sham (the Free Ones of the Levant)

    - Ahrar ash-Sham- Hassan Aboud

    - Al-Tawhid Brigade- Abdel Qader Saleh

    - Syrian Islamic Front- Ahrar al-Sham

    - Jaish al-Muhajireen wal-Ansar- Chechen Abu Omar

    - al-Qaeda in Iraq

    - Ghuraba al-Sham

    - Ghuraba al-Sham (Moderate)

    - Fatah al-Islam


    The issue is the Free Syrian Army is nowhere to be found except in Lattakia & Idlib or the Allawite sector loyal to Assad. The Al Nusra (Labled Al Quaeda by the State Department) are more organized into regional commands down to the platoon level. They control the Eastern Side of Aleppo & are at the forefront in Homs. What Assad wants to do is retake Minigh Air Base from Jaish al-Muhajireen wal-Ansar, led by Chechen Abu Omar. Then cut the supply lines from Turkey & prepare for a siege of Aleppo. The lack of cohesiveness is demonstrated by the opposition attempting to create a frontal resistance against the advance from Homs, while leaving supply lines vulnerable to a flanking maneuver. What can you say, it's a largely fragmented resistance that consists of various Al Nusra Sunni Salfist Groups & a geographically coastal isolated Free Syrian Army.

    The U.S. objectives should be as follows:
    1. Enforce a Full No Fly Zone.
    2. Hinder advance of Armored Vehicles from Homs to Aleppo via the Highway that links Damascus to Aleppo through Homs.
    3. Take out Surface to Air Missiles.
    4. If you want to see the opposition win, enforce a Naval Blockade at Tartus to limit incoming Russian military hardware.
    5. Force Free Syrian Army to take Active Role in defeating Iranian trained Defense Committees in the villages of Nebul & Zahra.
    6. Limit supplies coming from neighboring Iraq by arming resistance in the southeastern quadrant of the country.
    7. Control Supply Lines out of Turkey via use of Special Forces, or Turkish Para military troops. This includes route South from Azaz, the Turkey-Aleppo Highway.
    8. Limit the Hezbollah offensive on Azaz (In Progress)
    9 Choke off Assad's troops inside Aleppo from link to supply lines from Homs.
    10. Mount Coalition of the Willing in Jordan & Israel for potential Land Invasion targeting Damascus to unseat Assad if necessary.

    Use the Syrian Opposition National Coalition as the Transitional Government. Set up civilian infrastructure, humanitarian relief operations (Led by U.S. Aid). Force Sheikdoms (Qatar) to continue to offer generous aid to transitional government through rebuilding phase. Consider Land Grants to radical Islamists in lieu of political activism in Eastern Syria.
     
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    There is an actual....12 Hour Air Campaign Plan....which would effectively destroy 99% of Assad's Aircraft and destroy selected bridges and mountain passages.

    However...this air campaign plan does not target Syrian Troops.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    That's how it looks to me SG. A lot of it is just common sense in that if people try to topple a government by force, there will be casualties. And for the media to then blame the government for the casualties which wouldn't have happened were it not for the rebellion is sheer bias, not news. I really don't get it. I mean, it's not like the rebels are Americas friends. So why any Americans would support the rebellion or the overthrow of Assad is senseless to me. I hope it works out for you and your people and country.
     
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    No FSA in Idlib or Latakia. FSA is only a name and does not exist. Latakia was attacked by Jabhat Al-Nusra and Islamic State in Iraq and Levant.

    SAA does not have an objective to retake Menagh Airbase. It was not in use for over a year and it would not come in useful for now. What is important is to clean up areas of Damascus from terrorists and also finish Al-Nusra in Old Homs city.

    Situation is complicated in Deraa and the SAA should target that. Aleppo is the most difficult city and will be almost impossible to retake. It has 2 million people and the resources needed would be enormously large. Only way the SAA can retake Aleppo is if YPG, PYD, and Peshmega from Iraq all try to give SAA help in East Aleppo. It will take 150,000 soldiers to retake Aleppo. SAA too stretched for that right now.

    Blockade of Tartus will never happen. It will be equal to declaration of war against Russia. Russia can send the Navy there any time and NATO will not do a thing.

    Any mass attacks on Syria by USA, will cause 200,000 volunteers to enter Syria from Iraq, Iran and Lebanon. That will be a full nightmare for NATO and Syrian opposition.
     
  22. Ivan88

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    Democracy is a racket where the super rich rig the mob to support whatever the super rich want.
    Democracy is where the "majority" choose to violate the Law of the Rights of Man as in the 10 Commandments.
     
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    The 10 Commandments are just for the Jews.
     
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    Still waiting Ivan.

    I would appreciate an answer soon as I only have today and tomorrow before I have to go.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Although I am against invading Syria...it is possible that the Air Campaign may occur if evidence pans out.

    If that happens...I don't see the likely hood of anyone streaming into Syria.

    AboveAlpha
     
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