RECORD 4.3 million Americans Quit their job in August.

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  1. 61falcon

    61falcon Well-Known Member

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    The low labor participation rate is not unique to this administration, it has plagued us for years.
     
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    Biden's shortages accumulate as the complete catastrophe of his slow motion train wreck of a presidency builds momentum.

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    As another Obama famously said, "Never underestimate Joe's ability to screw things up!"
     
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    Out of how many jobs gained?

    I don't know. I was taught that you ALWAYS keep your job until you find a better one. You don't quit your job and then look for another one. The only time you did that is when working at the place became extremely unbearable. Otherwise you toughed it out until you found a better job.
     
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    However, the current administration is ignoring it and claiming that the unemployment rate is low. It is not. People are not looking for work.
     
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    I'm hoping that the restaurant industry will start going the way the rest of the world is going and pay their staff decent wages and eliminate tipping altogether. This pandemic has proven that relying on tips for a living wage is a joke.
     
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    Shortages happen wen your greedy capitalist corporate CEO's and Boards shut down their U.S. manufacturing and send it overseas for the cheap labor. They have us right by the short and curly's as they jack up the shipping container and shipping charges. We did it to ourselves.
     
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    Damn...admitting this must have made you shudder. This is what conservatives have been saying for years now. Even Trump admitted it. You actually have something in common with Trump!
     
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    This shortage is due to people not working. Since it began at the same time as the pandemic, it is obvious the pandemic had something to do with it. Paying people not to work is a prescription for people not to go to work. Another one of Biden's bad ideas.
     
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    I know of restaurants where a waiter/waitress gets tipped on average $300-$400 per night. Even at a $15/hr wage you won't make that much in one night. Indeed that averages out to $37.5/hr (at the $300 mark). Those waiters/waitress would be pissed if you eliminated their tips.
     
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    Except that is the minority situation for most food establishments.

    ETA: and before there was a pandemic!
     
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    Are you forgetting that the Federal subsidies began Looooonnnnggg Before Biden took over??????
     
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    Yes, the average is $100 per night nationally. That doesn't change what I said. Are you really wanting to stop tipping and reduce their pay? I thought the left was all about minority causes?
     
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    Pay them more by the hour, no need to tip. That is what I am saying. If a Michelin restaurant wants to keep its level of quality, it should pay the waiters $37 an hour. I said nothing about reducing their pay.
     
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    Biden screwing up Christmas too?

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    And continued much too Loooooooooooonnnnnnnnngggggggggg under the Biden administration.
     
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    But that will be the result whether you want to admit it or not.
     
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    If the tip is included in the meals price the public will balk at the steep prices.
     
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    I'm not quite up to date with my labor laws...if someone quits their job, can they collect unemployment? If not, what will they live on?
     
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    Savings if they have any !!
     
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    You assume they are seeking a better job? Actually.... when the gov keeps promising relief and you can refuse to pay the rent or house payment with immunity, they may well be grabbing this low-hanging fruit. Given the dearth of people actually applying for jobs, that would seem far more likely.
    According to the US Labor Statics, the "labor Force Participation" in the US continues to fall.

    Tomorrow we have a test, determining the ability of the federal mandates back-door maneuver to force mass vaccinations, or be fired. 400 Seattle police may be fired, and millions of others. Not only fired, but deprived of the benefits such as retirement contribution they have already earned.

    My fervent hope is the any of those groups- policemen, medical staff, airline staff- will stand in unity just as they sometimes do over labor disputes, and say no.... For example, if Seattle fires those policemen- NO none of Seattles police come to work. That's always been acceptable when unions do it to fight just for a few dollars; it would seem far more rational to do in fighting for personal freedoms.

    We have the tail wagging the dog in this situation, and that needs to change. Employment must be a mutual agreement, not one of dictation, or abuse either way.

    I think employment will continue to drop, because our current government is driving us to a full-scale depression- and unemployment on a level few living Americans can imagine.
    We are right now, living on a huge economic bubble. Just a matter of time, and under the current "regime" it won't be long.
     
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    Tell that to employers.
     
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    Generally no, but if you can prove that you had a good cause - yes
     
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    From news broadcast I see that the leading cause of death for police in the past two years has been from Covid???? That alone should convince them that they need to get vaccinated.
     
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    That's a good point. Lets see what that employer might learn if we did, told him it must be a mutual deal.

    You have a job. Did you take the job, or did someone force you to? No- YOU applied for it. Asked for it.
    Did you agree to the terms of the position and the compensation? Of course you did, or they would not have bought your services; you wouldn't be employed.
    Are you free to quit anytime you are unhappy with that? Of course you are.
    Will you give them a couple weeks free work if you do decide to end the arrangement? Hell no.
    Are they likely to give you a couple weeks free pay, or severance, if they decide to end the arrangement? Very likely.
    Has your employer ever failed to pay you for the clock hours you put in or according to the terms? Very unlikely; probably never. If he did, labor laws step in to protect- you.
    Have you ever wasted the time you have been paid for, giving the employer nothing in return? Damn right you have. That is stolen money, and nothing protects him from that.
    Does your employer provide you with benefits at his expense? Damn right he does.
    Matches your social security, pays insurance for your unemployment, insurance for your workmans compensation and more. Usually adds about 50% to the cost of compensation; so you make more than you think. .
    Do you provide your employer with any benefit other than the work you are supposed to be doing? Not only no, but Hell no.
    Do you ever thank your customer (your employer) for his business, ask him if everything you did was satisfactory- the way that people treat you when you are a customer? Ludicrous question. Not a chance.
    Does you employer give you an individual gift at Christmas? Highly probable.
    Do you give your employer and individual gift, seeing as how he IS YOUR CUSTOMER? Highly doubtful.
    Are there laws protecting you from a wide variety of potential misconduct by your employer? Yes- lots of them, and the Gov will come to your aid to enforce them.
    Are there laws protecting your employer from potential misconduct by you? Zip. Nada. None, and any recourse will cost him. He can terminate you; anything more is near impossible.


    So- I think you are right, the deal between you and your employer is heavily weighted to your advantage, and that's not fair or equal.
    The laws should be amended here to balance that relationship and get you to stop taking advantage of him.
     
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    Although we're still paying for the economic consequences of the idiotic lockdown, and likely will continue to pay for it for another year or so, some of the side effects, are good, such as the current labor "shortage." The fact that it's driving up wages fairly rapidly is bad for wage inflation, but great for workers and people who've been shut out of the job market. Imagine, people graduating from high school now can go right into relatively decent paying jobs. This could have positive effects downstream for family formation since there is less incentive to pile up huge loans going to college.
     

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