And the states that regulate private firearm sales, like Washington now, do nothing. Not a single felon has been convicted, or even charged, since the law went into effect. California also regulates private firearm sales. Hasn't done anything for them either. Throw it in there if you want, it changes nothing for criminals who buy from other criminals anyway. It does nothing.
Background checks are easily subverted through use of a straw purchaser with no criminal record. Pay someone enough money and they will do almost anything; especially if they are ignorant of just what the law entails.
And how many times must we constantly revisit this circular logic as if it actually had some merit, when it simply does not? Firearms already exist, and they will continue to exist for centuries. There is nothing that can change these facts in any way, so there is no point in continuing to talk about how if firearms did not exist. Furthermore, you have weakened your argument even further by now claiming that if there were no weapons at all, meaning nothing that could possibly be used for the purpose of causing harm to another, there would be fewer homicides and suicides as a result. This is even less possible than there simply being no firearms.
It has already been established that the definition of an impulse suicide is any incident where the amount of time between the desire to commit suicide, and actually committing suicide, is five minutes or less. So far you have failed to present anything that would suggest that available storage requirements for any country are capable of taking more than five minutes for the owner to overcome, assuming they actually obey the law to begin with. Since the defining time frame for an impulse suicide is five minutes or less, that means a planned suicide is any incident where the amount of time that passes between impulse and act is six minutes. Therefore your argument amounts to legal technicalities that are devoid of practical differences.
She can't even tell us how many people even commit impulse suicides. I doubt very many. Guns for home defense are useless if they aren't readily accessible.
The psychological makeup of the nation of Australia is far different from that of the united states. Speeding laws can be easily enforced. Firearm restrictions cannot. Those who commit traffic offenses are prosecuted. Those who commit firearm offenses almost never are. One regards a constitutionally recognized and protected right, the other regards a governmental privilege that can be revoked at any time for any reason, or no reason at all. The two are in no way similar to one another. Pray tell what responsibility does society have in telling any given individual that if they have a desire to commit suicide, that it is simply not their decision to make?
No you mis-interpreted what I've said. Deaths by firearms would be impacted; obviously some people would be able to commit violent actions.
No you said they get their guns from buying them from other crimnals so straw purchases or stealing don't qualify. Try again. - - - Updated - - - Nope that doesn't qualify as getting their guns from buying from ther criminals. Try again. - - - Updated - - - If all criminals get their guns by buying from other criminals straw purchases don't meet the criteria. Try again. - - - Updated - - - If all criminals get their guns by buying from other criminals straw purchases don't meet the criteria. Try again.
I didnt said that, you asked if criminals but from criminals then where they originally get their guns and there's your answer. They either steal from the law abiding, police stations, and armories or they get it from straw purchases. - - - Updated - - - Then go after violent criminals rather than the tools they use. Would you ban crowbars to prevent burglars from breaking in?
Even if they didnt you missed the point. Lets say we ban the tools most likely to be used for a breake in. Hammers, wire cutters, lock picking kits, you name it. Would that be affective?
Irrelevant since the tools you've mentioned are designed for purposes other then break-in's; guns are designed to kill and maim living things which is something you cannot ever change.
There are almost a half a Billion firearms that are defective if this is truly their design. Truth is firearms are multi purpose. Competition, recreation, target, hunting, clays, self defense, precision, etc. Many firearms are absolutely unsuitable for killing anything.
Recreation and killing are basically what they are used for. Competition, target, hunting, clays all fall under recreation tho' i do give you credit for original thinking in spreading the jelly thin.
I must admit, I question why some people-at gun shows or flea markets-sell lock picking kits. In Ohio, if you are caught with those they can charge you with possession of criminal tools. Can someone tell me (other than a locksmith) the legitimate purpose of such tools? If I have a lock that is on MY property that I cannot open, I cut it off or call the locksmith - - - Updated - - - Have you a point?
Yeah, but you'll have to go back in this thread and look for it. - - - Updated - - - Perhaps in your eye, but not in everyone's eyes.
