Renewed push underway to expand California's ban on some suspensions

California is considering banning schools from suspending students who act up in class, or wilful defiance. Unbelievable, what will California come out with next? How do kids study or learn with other students acting up? Now it seems like the schools don't want to punish them for doing it. Do they think that won't encourage more of the same? If they hadn't taken discipline away from parents and schools when kids were younger, they wouldn't have much of the problems they are having now with them. Liberals are ruining this country.

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Next step: Everybody graduates, with nothing less than a B-plus.

 

Then given a job of their liking (if they feel like working), a new car and a house in the 'burbs.

 

This is what leftists in the schools do.

 

I like it. Nothing more stupid than to grant a student's wish to go home and call it "punishment". Keep them after school, make them be extremely bored at school. That's a much worse punishment.

 

Teaching folks their actions have no consequences is a great way to topple civilization.

And here. We. GOOOooooo!

 

I always thought that suspension was idiotic. When I was a high school sophomore I used to get caught once in a while cutting school early to go surfing. After about three times, they suspended me for three days so I was at the beach all day the rest of the week. Good move eliminating that idiocy.

 

Thank you! Suspension only works if the parents give a **** and if they do you can deliver the message in another way, and if they don’t all you did was give the kid some more free time.

 

My parents did give a ****. They just thought it was a stupid punishment.

 

You can find a link HERE to something that has most teachers in California shaking their heads and wondering what the governor is thinking.

So, any actual thoughts on the topic now?

 

Schools lose money when kids are not in class.

 

Then they'll tell the taxpayers they can't keep teachers and need more money for wages.

 

I didn't even have to read the whole article to see what it's driving at. I mean I knew the OP was BS drama, I mean that was obvious right off.

It says "out of school" suspensions.

Now, having been a "bad kid" I got both out of school and what is calle "in school suspension" and I can tell you what any kid who had both punishments meted out will tell you, "in school suspensions" are FAR worse a punsihment.

You basically still have to attend school, do all your same work, but you have to do it in a seperat building, silently without your classmates. It's literally torture for a 15 year old. Now we'd get our ass kicked by our folks for out of school suspensions, but after that, those were all gravy.

If you actually dig a bit deeper into the story and not just knee jerk, you might realize there can be more to the story and sense to the policy.

The kids are still doing the same coursework, in a disciplinary classroom setting, without their classmates, The school is getting their funding, and the punishment is much less pleasant for the tudent. It's a policy that works better and make more sense all around for a lot of reasons.

It's like a remedial study hall, no talking allowed at all except to consult with the disciplinary room teacher (at least the one I went to in WA state), with a desk with blinders on the side. No socializing of any kind allowed, lunch brought in; no lunchroom or breaks with other students, and IIRC it went an hour ( or maybe a half hour) after regular school let out. It was the FAR worse punishment.

At home, dad would rage, maybe whip our ass (I have a near same age adopted sister), but then it was over, calling friends, drinking and smoking weed after school, basically was suspesion party time (of course folks didn't know about it mostly), but after one "ISS" I stopped skipping class! That place SUCKED and I didn't wanna go back.

 

Seems more like an Adam Lanza cloning center.

 

Yeah kneejerk on with such stupidity. No need for thought, the libruls are ruining the kids man, they wanna just let them run wild!

Policies that work? No that makes no sense! We gotta stop them dumb libruls, no reason why, just cuz!

 

Nothing they've tried in the last 40 years has worked very well. How many chances should we give them?

 

What a shock! California is hapless, helpless and hopeless and brainless. When are the people there going to rebel?

 

That's not exactly a great way to rebut it.

I'm about to head off to that skewl place myself so I don't have time for a long rebuttal, but your argument misses the point. For one thing, the in-house suspensions usually end up with the kid being put into a room with the same rowdy kids who are sent there so they end up being with their friends anyway. If you have the wrong person running the Time-Out Room, you end up with kids who WANT to be there and it's happened maybe half the time.

There's a much larger problem I don't have time to get into in which we have the state itself deciding how the local schools should deal with discipline issues, especially when you have people there who haven't set foot in a classroom in decades. They're quite out of touch - but again, that leads to a whole 'nother discussion I'll need the weekend for involving such issues as parenting, race, social, and class issues. Bottom line is that these idiots at Sacramento really have no idea what's going on in the schools but they do love tying the hands of the schools when it comes to dealing with issues best left to individual schools themselves. Restorative Justice is a good idea in place of suspending kids willy-nilly but for some Imperial Poobah to simply say "No More Suspensions," - it's foolish.

 

Only if they can pass the final exam on LGBTQs.

 

Now you can see why they're doing it and that's because it's racist. And if racist, then that tells you which kids are most likely acting up. They want to give these kids the Trayvon Martin treatment.

 

I teach in California, specifically at a school that doesn't suspend students for things like defiance (drugs, weapons, violence are a different matter). Some things to consider:
1. Even though we don't suspend, we still have on-campus suspension for disruptive students, so they're removed from the class. At OCS, we do all the wussy liberal stuff conservatives hate: kids talk about what's going on. There's a counselor to help them. They might get put on a behavior contract.
2. Teachers are still allowed by ed. code to suspend students from their class for defiance.

The thinking behind not suspending kids for minor stuff is that the kind of kids who get suspended generally have really terrible home lives, and that is the last place a school should be sending a kid if we want to the kid to actually do better.

 

Isn't the motivation to maintain some kind of attendance, at least keep them in buildings, to get the federal money?

 

Attendance is a motivation, but not the primary one when it comes to this issue.

 

One thing more stupid would be keeping the little monsters in class so the other students cant learn

 

Writing sentences 100 times on the board after school while the teacher caught up on grades, planning new assignments, etc. It was no sweat for the teacher. And if you didn't take up the chalk, more punishment was waiting at home.