Rep. John Conyers (D) allegations vs. Liberal Always Believe women views

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/12/05/john-conyers-retiring-and-endorsing-son-mike-huckabee-reacts

It's funny to watch how liberals have backed themselves into a corner with their anti-due process views of sexual assault crimes (always believe the women, and destroy the man that has been accused without due process). Watching what is going on with John Conyers and Al Franken has been amusing. For example John Conyers son's defense of his father is absolutely hilarious...

"It's very unfortunate to see him fight so long for so many people and to automatically have the allegations assumed to be true. And of course, with sexual assault, women are to be believed. But in this instance he has no history of this," said Conyers III.

Let me translate this liberal speak for you. What Conyers III is saying is that all women should be believed as long as the accused is a conservative/Republican.

 

Of course he's defending his dad. Meanwhile the party leadership is calling on him and Franken to resign....while the RNC throws money at a child molester lol

 

You mean the party leadership is calling on him to resign after first defending him publicly. They changed their tune only after public blow back.

 

So, you agree that concerning sexual assault, the women should always be believed unless it is your family members or friends whom are accused?

 

I don't blame him for that. Anyone would do the same for their Dad.

Well to be fair to the RNC, they did pull support. Now this story is about a month or so old, so maybe something changed? I don't know, but this was the last I saw.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ort-for-roy-moore-in-alabama-senate-race.html

 

Don't think Franken will resign on his own. He's the only one with undeniable evidence on him.

Roy Moore had a habit of dating older teens a dozen years younger than him. His wife was 24 and he was 37 when they married. So Moore was an easy target, certainly with him being an outspoken Christian White Conservative. So the pedophile charges were a logical step for the Deep State.

 

Not faulting him for defending his dad, but his statement proves exactly why conservatives are pro-due process vs. the left's view that women should always be believed concerning sexual assault. You can't have it both ways, either we believe the woman and destroy the accused man (even if the accused is your father), or the accused is innocent until proven guilty.

 

At a certain point you have too many accusers to not believe them.

 

I didn't say that, but I can understand having trouble doubting a parents denials

 

Nah they are back to supporting him

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/12/04/us/politics/roy-moore-donald-trump.amp.html

 

They have started supporting him again, despite multiple allegations, character witnesses attesting to his behavior and signatures in the year book matching his hand writing.

 

Thanks for the new info. I didn't know that.

Anyway, I think this is indicative of the case we see. At one time it looked credible, they even had a yearbook signature to prove it...and the RNC did what they thought was right. Now that they refuse to allow that yearbook sig to be validated, the entire thing smells like a smear.

 

Maybe this is another one I missed. Have they now authenticated this signature?

 

A previous girlfriend of his has come forward with copies of things he wrote to her, and it's identical.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasac...-was-17-shares?utm_term=.vp6JvmneZ#.nwwk7gVMD

The sigs are exactly the same. It's pretty undeniable at this point.

 

Well, they are now. I do recall Nancy having spent an entire Sunday doing exactly the opposite. Nice to see "progress" huh??

 

Looks pretty similar to me as well, but I am not a trained eye in this sort of thing. There are people that can though. Have they authenticated it?

 

LEt have a show of hands ... who's Voting in the district?

 

Forensically no, but I doubt it will ever get that far. I doubt the Moore campaign will back up its claim of a forgery, and in so doing validate that it's authentic by not offering any evidence.

 

What are they waiting for? If validated this will, rightfully, crater support.

 

Of course. But I doubt the Moore camp will actually do anything to try and prove it's a forgery precisely because it isn't a forgery.

They claimed it was a forgery and experts have said they'd need more writing samples. The Moore camp hasn't provided them. If they refuse to do so then clearly Moore is guilty.

 

What liberals think he should resign?

What Republicans think Moore should drop out?

 

Dont forget both women said they will gladly submit their documents for examination as long as Moore testifies under oath.

People around here just keep brushing that off.

 

Yep. It's pretty funny how they keep spinning it.

 

Because you know what will happen. Moore will testify that he didn't sign it and then he will be proved wrong. So he simply won't.

The art of the deal

Deny deny deny, never admit guilt even if wrong, never admit to anything, deny everything but demand everything.

 

Drives me nuts - There are up to 14 democratic leaders now calling for Franken to resign.... Frightened cowards.... letting these relatively low-level accusations set their policy and not waiting for a hearing (or at least pointing finger back to Trump to account for his much more serious accusations)...

I suppose they are trying to stand on the 'moral high ground', but I think this is prematurely cutting a man loose just to jump on a bandwagon. I can't respect that....

Note - I'm currently reading the Franken book 'Giant of the Senate'... Pretty funny, but also from the heart.... I'm still giving Franken the benefit of the doubt...

Undeniable?? I think it's plenty deniable (that it's sexual assault), and very easily.... 1 really stupid picture proving nothing on plane and 2 very nice personal shots posing with Franken...