Republican Obstructionism is Destroying us. Data speaks for itself

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  1. akphidelt2007

    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    Been saying this for 7 years now, we are pretty much going in to a Lost Decade because our Republican lead Congress is utterly useless. There's a reason they have a 9% approval rating. Pretty much the worst Congress in American history. They have taken an approach to ultimately block any help for the economy. I'm not talking about doing anything different from the past, I'm talking about doing what all the Presidents before had the luxury to do. Spend money, support states and most importantly increase public sector employment. We should have over 24.5-25 million public sector employees. Yet, Obama is the first President in a long long time where public sector employment actually dropped during his Presidency. Heck Bush #1 even increased public sector employment by a million employees in 4 years.

    We need to spend trillions supporting states hiring teachers, police officers, fixing infrastructure, creating new infrastructure, etc, etc. How Congress can have a 9% approval rating and still continue to obstruct any plan to increase public sector employment is borderline treason. This obstruct and blame strategy has to stop. We need more Reagan/Bush like Republicans that knew that government plays an important role in the economy and could compromise on reasonable spending increasing to keep our infrastructure up to date, our children educated, our people employed, etc. The new age Republicans are a flat out disaster and it is not going to stop. We could be looking at wasting 20+ years that could be used to developed a brand new infrastructure, and move our way in to a 21st century life. It's just sickening what's happening. How anyone can continue supporting these clowns is beyond me.

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    Belch Well-Known Member

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    You know the rebuttal against this argument of "if only the government would spend more money".

    You didn't want to tackle it before, and you don't want to tackle it now.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's Obama and the democrats who won't negotiate with the republicans. The house sent hundreds of bills to Reid that he just flat out killed. And I have only seen one time Obama offered the republicans a deal and they jumped on it.
     
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    We'll, now we know what happens when you get government out of the way. At least the Republican side of government. The Left is ready to rock and roll, while the Right paralyzes the rest of us while exercising their policies of doing absolutely nothing. The inauguration dinner back in 08 by Republicans who vowed to obstruct everything Obama did, has finally settled in on paper now. You have to give Obama credit though. With 100% obstructionism, he still managed to bring the economy back. Can you imagine if the other side of government had participated, instead of spending millions inventing scandals, how much better we would be?
     
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    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    I've tackled every argument. Especially anything you've ever said, lol.
     
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    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    It's just so disgusting. Like just the pure acknowledgement that their main objective was to stop anything the elected President of the United States wanted to do is sickening. That's pretty much treason. They refused to compromise on any spending. The fact we can't even agree to increase public sector employment like we have been doing for the past century is just mind boggling. How anyone can continue voting for these clowns is beyond me. They poll at 9% for a reason. Obviously the American people are not happy with the Republican lead Congress. And we are just going to have to suffer menial growth for decades more until something changes in government. Unfortunately the only way I can see Republicans spending the money we need is when they go on to their next war. They are more than fine spending money blowing up other countries but fixing our own country "will bankrupt" us. It's sickening.

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    Data speaks for itself. Republicans have set the bar that they will not increase spending. That's not compromise. Forcing Obama to do what no other President has done in 60 years is not compromise, lol. It's obstruction. There's a reason why they are polling at 9%. The fact you can't see that, is pretty amazing.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Even with those poll numbers they gave congress to the republicans didn't they. Tell the democrats to reduce spending if they want more money.

    Not rocket science.
     
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    The federal budget deficit this year is expected to be about $550 billion. And you want them to spend more? Are you willing to pay more in taxes to pay for it? We don't pay enough in taxes now to pay for what we're spending now.

    Also, I am not a big fan of the Republicans in Congress. I am not a fan of the Democrats either. So my next remarks are not partisan....

    If you had a conservative Republican president, would you expect a Democratic congress to just rubber stamp his proposals? Do you think they would? Is that what their constituents elected them to do?
     
  9. akphidelt2007

    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    Nah, I rather the government do what they have been doing for the past century and not force our economy in to a recession by listening to the worthless Republicans in Congress. Forcing the government to compromise on how much to cut spending is not a compromise, lol. It's obstruction.

    Not rocket science
     
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    Belch Well-Known Member

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    Aren't you the one that said Obama needs to start throwing money out of a helicopter?
     
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    That statement by McConnel was made two years into the Obama Presidency and of course the dems take it out of context and even get the date wrong.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...9fd5cd8-0696-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_blog.html

    Of course it is never disgusting that the dems would never consider a budget or that Obama would never compromise.
     
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    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    Unfortunately, it probably would be better to have a Republican President because they tend to spend the most money and Republicans in Congress tend to support spending that money. But the new age Republicans took a vow to obstruct anything Obama wanted to do. The obstruct and blame strategy. And I'm not a deficit hawk, our deficit should be in the trillions. And we don't have to increase taxes to pay for it, we can pay for it like we have been paying for it the past century. There is nothing new about what I'm talking about. It's the same thing we've been doing the entire time. Economics is about relativity. Comparing different time periods using nominal terms is ignorant.

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    Of course. Anything to get money in the economy.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So there is no limit to spending in your world? Nothing bad will ever come from it?

    Lol
     
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    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    The data speaks for itself, we have been increasing spending every year of your life at rates far higher than Obama. Yet all of a sudden it's time to stop? So you believe there's a magic limit to how much made up money we can spend and it just so happens to be when Obama became President?

    Lol
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I didn't like any president who overspends. So if you could you would just print up like 50 trillion and rebuild our infrastructure huh?
     
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    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    Logical fallacy time. Economics is all relative. We should increase our spending to the point that closes the output gap and produces stable economic growth and employment. Like we have been doing your entire lifetime. That's why it's so funny arguing this stuff with you guys. Your guys arguments have been used for the past century and it's always wrong. You literally have no clue what is "too much spending" or "too much debt". It's all just made up in your head.
     
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    Your charts are as usually lovely and as usual do not prove your assertions at all. IN fact they are barely even connected. Hell there isn't even any sort of correlation between the two.

    Further the assertion that government was at any time 'out of the way' is so totally absurd that it is hard to believe that even BWK would have the gall to make it.
     
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    The charts show the consequences of progressive growth of government and what happens when you run out of other people's money.
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There's nothing wrong with obstructing a radical, leftist, and dangerous agenda.

    Some would say it's a good thing.
     
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    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    How do we run out of our own made up money?
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why have money worth anything eh?
     
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    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    Data speaks for itself. Every year of your life your President increased spending, increase public sector employment, and the economy continued to grow. Now all of a sudden we stopped doing that and the economy has been stagnant since the start of these obstructionist policies. And your logic is that what I'm talking about is "radical leftist agenda", lol. You guys really should stop voting, you're destroying this country with ignorance.

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    We've increased spending your entire lifetime and it's still worth something. Why is it any different now? You got any conspiracy theories on how we have "reached the limit" of spending? Lol. My favorite thing is you tin foilers have had this argument for the past century and every time you are wrong. All you do is change the numbers. Please stop voting. Leave education subjects up to those that are educated.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL, you ignore the housing equity bubble and blame all woes on government not spending enough of other people's money. Do you know anything about the economy?
     
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    Of course he does! In a way, he's correct. The problem with the economy is that the government really isn't taking enough of the money you work hard for. If left up to you, you'd try to live within your means and not borrow money that your grandchildren will have to pay back.

    If only you could find a bank to loan you money on the future earnings of your grandchildren, you'd be able to move into a nicer house, eat at fancier restaurants, drive a nicer car, and shop at all those fancy stores where the rich people shop at.

    And when your grandchildren's futures have been spent, he'll start spending the money of your great grandchildren. He doesn't care about them. He cares about those fancy restaurants and cars and houses.
     
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    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    I know a lot more about the economy than you do, that's obvious, lol. Data speaks for itself. If you want to argue against basic data, feel free. As I know you're a conspiracy theorist, I'm sure you'll give it your best try, haha. You crack me up.

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    People have been talking about grandchildren paying it back since the 30s. When are they going to start paying it back? Lol.
     

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