Republican senator censured by Oklahoma GOP for negotiating with Democrats on fragile border deal

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  1. USVet

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    The OP has a terrible take. The reality is there is no compromise in the claimed "bipartisan bill" as it just amounts to giving away two things Democrats want without giving anything meaningful to Republicans.

    1) It allows Biden to let in 5000 illegals per day through the southern border without requiring Biden to take any action plus it allows those 5000 per day to not be counted as illegal entries in order to try to hide the flood of illegals.

    2) It prevents any future president from cracking down on illegal immigration which is a terrible policy.

    3) It allows anyone and everyone to bypass the border and simply fly into the US without a visa where they would then be able to make a fraudulent asylum claim when they arrive. It makes it so no future president can stop that abuse and lawlessness. That is a terrible.

    4) It gives the legal right to work to all existing illegal aliens and asylum fraudsters. That only encourages more illegal aliens criminals to flood into the U.S. and so is a terrible policy.

    5) It creates amnesty so all illegals can become citizens and vote no matter what laws they have broken or crimes they have committed. That is terrible policy.

    6) It prevents any future president from actually enforcing federal law and deporting illegal aliens. That is a terrible as well as idiotic policy.

    So there is absolutely nothing good in this proposal and it just makes the Democrats failed open borders policies permanent. To hell with that. If you want to make an actual deal then both sides need to get something they actually want. 70% of American citizens want tje southern border closed, they want illegal aliens deported, and they want the asylum process reformed so that 8bmillion fraudsters aren't lying and abusing the system to flood in unvetted. They sure as hell don't want millions competing with them for work and lowering the wages of American citizens.
     
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    No, they did censure Lankford for trying to negotiate an agreeable deal, but even he says GOP is more interested in making sure Biden doesn't get any credit for any deal because its election year.
     
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    Biden has had plenty of time to show his position on this issue, now he can answer for it politically.
     
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    Have you spent a nanosecond researching it?
     
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    Of course, have you?
     
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    Well, that's the mindset: The hell with the issue, let's try to score some political points instead.
     
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    Expect MANY threads like this. Dems finally care about the problem THEY created and now are looking for every chance they get to divert blame to the GOP. Talk about SAD
     
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    What part of this issue do you think is not politically driven?
     
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    The only people this immigration bill would benefit are the illegal aliens. Sure as hell doesn't benefit the American citizens in any way
     
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    Exactly. As the OP proves some will be gullible enough to believe the Dem's gas lighting and lies. Fortunately, that will mostly be the vote blue no matter who folks who always vote for the radical left no matter how incompetent or destructive they are. The actual independents don't seem to be buying the lies which the Democrats are selling.
     
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    I, honestly, don't see anything good about that proposal. It just enshrines open borders forever and an unending magnet attracting illegal alien criminals. Real reform which ends the asylum fraud and deports all the illegals and fraudsters is the only acceptable solution.
     
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    I am not sure what you are smoking but it is obviously effecting your judgement because that is loony talk. The proposal does nothing meaningful to address the flood of illegal aliens abusing the asylum system by making fraudulent claims. It does nothing to speed up the adjudication process which takes 10-20 years (intentionally designed that way by Democrats), it does nothing to increase deportations of illegal alien criminals. It actually makes it completely worse by allowing literally anyone to just fly into the US and make a fraudulent claim for asylum and then automatically get released into the US.

    It is worse than doing nothing because it prevents any future president from taking action. It is trash and even you know it.
     
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    Factual <> looney

    You are just parroting the opponents talking points. They are trying to negotiate a deal, but clearly you are in love with the current situation, so you oppose it to tooth and nail.
     
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    Don't ever expect to see something like that coming from a progressive liberal. Aliens first and you and I last
     
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    You know Lankford is a Conservative Republican, right? Why are you so hell bent against him trying to negotiate an agreeable deal? You keep saying what the bill does and doesn't do, but there is no bill as of yet. They are trying to negotiate one. Having a "my way or the highway" dream bill is same as saying "let's keep the problem". Its a pipe-dream.
     
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    So if there's no bill what is it that he's negotiating?

    Surely there must be a bill as much as I hear the progressives complaining that Conservatives won't go along with it
     
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    They are in negotiations to create one. Until then there are only proposals from both sides. That's why there is no way for anyone to claim to know what the will will, or will not do. Besides, the House it almost certain to refuse to debate it anyway, to they are probably wasting their time.
     
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    It turns out Biden does have presidential authority right now to fix the open borders he caused (as Trump fixed it) but the Biden admin is refusing to do so. The irony is the open borders bill the OP was gushing over would remove any President's ability to control the border.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ho...x-border-catastrophe-through-executive-action

    Democrats want open borders and the proposed bill is just the "open borders forever" bill.
     
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    We should always support inter-party relations and negotiations. It would have been better to censure the Democrats for wanting to institutionalize illegal immigration and protect it. One hopes Lankford was trying to be a voice of common sense in the negotiations. But, of course, maybe I'm wrong and he deserves censure for supporting such a travesty.
     
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    He was censured for trying to work out an agreeable deal. He was not "supporting" anything other than that.
     
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    Honestly, today's GOP is unrecognizable to me. This party has willingly assume the lack of moral compass and personality of it's "flagbearer" to it's detriment. The Average citizen wants government to work for the majority of it's fellow citizens. It's a dying party, ETTD.
    Lankford must not be up for re-election in 2024 or he's trying to do the work of governing.
     
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    Republican tries to work to solve an issue, the rest of the GOP censure him, biggly sad!
     
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    Authoritarians don’t like fraternization with the enemy.
     
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    He wasn't trying to solve anything.
     

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