Republicans end Capitol Hill smoking ban

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  1. Cybred

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    Definitely does, personal exp.
     
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    Muslim cultures forbid the use of deodorant. Do you have a right to demand a Muslim co-worker use deodorant?
     
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    You want the government to say when, where and who can smoke. Same difference.
     
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    Nope. I’m not the govt. Govt doesn’t say when or who can smoke.
     
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    Yes you did .. is Capitol Hill not in DC ? You said there was no law banning smoking in Capitol Hill .. which is a work place in DC Homer "Sign"

    Then you tell me to "try to keep up" when the question is whether or not you are for a smoking ban .. for the 5th time .. you managing only to dodge instead of answer ..

    Sup ECA .. are yor for Smoking Bans in DC or not ? Something too difficult for you in this question cup-cake ?
     
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    the reality is, the anti-smokers went too far, when they started saying one could not smoke outside, in parking lots, in their own cars, not allowing businesses to offer smoking in bars, and such, and treating vapes like smoking.... it's time for some push back

    also banning nicotine products from sale online, except for the pharmaceutical brand in many States, even during covid

    they also attempted to ban menthol cigarettes because they claimed mostly black people smoke them - seemed racist to me
     
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    The faster Republican politicians kill themselves off, the better for everyone - let them smoke till their lips fall off.
    Time to get rid of both these archaic parties.
     
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    A workplace/office, or restaurant/business banning indoor smoking, is the market, sorting it out.
     
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    The businesses didn't ban smoking. The government did.
     
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    Nope, never said DC didn’t have a smoking ban. I said Capitol Hill didn’t UNTIL Pelosi instituted it. This info is in the link in the OP. Is there a reason you refuse to read it? Don’t be afraid to educate yourself.
    I already answered you about the Capitol Hill smoking ban. I said I couldn’t give two craps if the ban is lifted. Hopefully you understand my answer the second time being told.
     
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    Not practical advice, if it is allowed in one's workplace.

    I am only familiar with legal bans, in bars & restaurants. The others are, I think, business-imposed. Even before the restaurant smoking ban came to be, however, some restaurants were instituting "smoking" & "non smoking" sections of their establishments, much like hotels do.

     
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    But now, smoking is banned by law is most (all?) states.
     
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    18 year olds can't buy cigarettes in most places.
     
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    You are wrong, I believe; or at least, it would be a matter of the specific business in question. There absolutely were restaurants that did not allow indoor smoking, prior to there being a law on the books, mandating this. In states that have not banned restaurant smoking, I'm sure there are some restaurants, who enforce that policy, on their own.

    Again, with other types of business, particularly in offices, I am not aware of laws banning smoking (though I admit, I may be ignorant, on this point-- which doesn't mean that I would not still expect proof of someone, maintaining that the state does ban smoking in offices); however, even if some states do prohibit this, I am certain that, where there are no anti-smoking statutes, there are individual businesses/office buildings, which have elected, on their own, to adopt this policy.

     
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    not if the government mandates it and the business can not decide for themselves
     
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    I saw your qualification: it does not mean that lesser than "fogs" of smoke, can't still have deleterious effects on those in that environment (whether or not you, personally, think so). I had only pointed out that your caveated statement, seemed to be your own opinion, not that of any linked source (you did not unambiguously demarcate, your own words, from quoted ones).

    As to your first point, blood pressure medicines can lower BP as well-- does that mean that everyone should be on them? Medicines, even if they produce positive effects, generally have potential undesirable side effects. Smoking, as a BP "medicine," would certainly qualify as one with serious, and not at all rare, adverse effects.

    You have totally changed your argument, from the one that you began with, and which fits this thread. Namely, talking about the safety of "walking by someone" in an "outdoor" setting, is a non sequitur, inapplicable, straw man argument, in consideration of the proposition of inter office smoking, in which one might need spend extended amounts of time, sitting nearby some smoker-- possibly even one, who is a fan of cigars!

    Your "explanation," does not clarify whatever it is you are trying to say. If the "title" is not based on fact, then it is meaningless, isn't it?

    This is irrelevant to the issues at hand. marijuana is smoked in a very different manner, than tobacco, which is only shallowly inhaled, not sucked in to fill one's lungs, then held, for as long as possible.

    See my reply at top, about "benefits" versus risks. Because of its addictive potential, it is a trivial percentage of smokers, I believe, who limit themselves to only 1, or even to 2, packs of cigs per week.



    P.S.-- I just want to point your attention to your requoting of one of my paragraphs (beginning, "I do agree...") is also done without any sign that these are my words, not your own.
     
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    Well then, that wouldn't be, "a workplace/office, or restaurant/business" banning it. It would be a governmental ban. Is that not plainly apparent to you?

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    A workplace/office, or restaurant/business banning indoor smoking, is the market, sorting it out.
     
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    Which means 8 yr olds can’t buy cigarettes. That’s a good thing, right?
     
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    I think smoking should be a personal choice, I think the dangers are overhyped for moderate smokers, but there are risks, just like their are risks with exposing oneself to the sun

    and I agree, those with addictive personalities should not smoke, or drink, or do any drug really
     
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    requiring stores ID adults (even the elderly) is ridiculous though - you can buy Nicorette on Amazon
     
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    If their (or any ones) personal hygiene is bad. on a consistent basis ...one can refuse to work in their environment.

    Smokers must know that they carry the distinct smell of residual smoke with them (a stale smoke bubble)..on their persona... Working in an atmosphere where there are ashtrays filled with dirty buts contaminating the air is not healthy by any standards. In fact it is rather gross. It is quite RUDE to smoke near other people.........forcing them to inhale your exhaled smoke etc.
     
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    yes it would, if the government forced the "workplace/office, or restaurant/business" to ban it - that is not a choice, that is a government mandate
     
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