Republicans lied about the need for a Jan. 6 commission

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    It's bipartisan because there are republicans on the committed. The only two who won't attempt to make it a circus.

    Disproportionate bipartisanism is the norm.

    Moreover, it is a fact finding mission, and facts are neither Republican or Democrat.
     
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    It is a fact finding mission, and facts are neither Republican or Democrat.

    The FACT that fact finding will undoubtedly discover republicans committing crimes is an inadvertent result of the investigation into the Whys and Hows of 1/6.

    What does 'inadvertent' mean?

    It means unintentionally unavoidable.

    And why is it unintentionally unavoidable?

    Because it was Republicans, not Democrats, who were responsible for 1/6 attack.

    That is an unavoidable fact, and Democrats, nor the Republicans on the committee, can help that fact.

    So, to accuse Congress for investigating it, is partisan. Why? Because facts are not partisan.

    To accuse Pelosi of refusing Repubs who have a history of making investigations a circus and who are Trump allies as partisan IS, itself, partisan

    Let us not forget that of the 5 McCarthy picked for the committee, Pelosi rejected ONLY two of them, Jordan and Banks, both of whom are well known allies of Trump.

    For that, McCarthy pulled all five.

    If McCarthy were 'non partisan' he would have allowed the three Pelosi accepted to stay, and replaced the two rejected for reasons that they were allies, for two more that weren't Trump allies.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    The mission is about 1/6. Pelosi accepted 3 of the 5 McCarthy selected, and the two she rejected were well known Trump allies.

    That wasn't partisan, that was the opposite of partisan.

    What was partisan was McCarthy pulling all 5 because she didn't accept Jordan and Banks.

    Schiff is not a liar.

    Neither is Fauci
     
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    Pelosi has every right to disallow Trump allies on the committee, especially Jordan, who has a history of making a circus out of opposition led investigations.

    Pelosi accepted 3 of the 5 McCarthy selected, and pulled all five of them when Pelosi rejected Jordan and Banks.

    His offering was disingenuous because he knew in advance she would reject those two. After the rejected he know was coming, he could then make the claim he was attempting to be non partisan, which is a ruse.

    It is a ruse because he could have allowed the three she did accept to remain.
     
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    Nope I believe such opinions unsubstantiated by any thing other than personal malice are worthless. But that's fine keep pushing about how you think the current government has gone well beyond constitutional boundaries at least you're correct in that regard. But complaining people who want to change that are crazy based on the opinions of those with a vested interest in the status quo is just going to empower government even more.
     
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    I wouldn't call Trump a psychopath, but there is plenty of evidence he is a narcissistic sociopath.
     
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    The facts you are interested in finding are partisan.
     
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    So she only selects Biden allies.
    But its Bi-partisan
    The fact that you even typed that is amazing.
     
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    Nah ...

    When you eliminate the opposition, it’s because you want to produce a show.

    And you really think that these hearings are going to uncover Republican crimes that Merrick Garland, the FBI, and a federal Grand Jury can’t find?

    Give me a break!

    This past year of Democratic control has been a DISASTER, and this political show is solely to divert attention.

    What regular Americans want Democrats to do is to FIX THE PROBLEMS that effect them - like the rising crime rate, inflation, and rising energy costs to name a few.

    I was just telling @Lee Atwater the same thing on another thread, but it would appear that you and your Democrats in DC are TONE DEAF.

    November will be here before you know it, friend.
     
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    Yeah unlike Qanon, JFK Jr. is really alive, curing Covid by injecting disinfectant or shining ultraviolet lights into the lungs, windmills cause cancer, the election was stolen, Trump will be reinstalled as President in August or September or any day now, every unfavorable news item to Trump is fake news, etc. Those are all irrefutable fact. I understand.
     
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    The "insurrection" is a myth. I hate to break it to you.
     
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    I would. He is a malignant narcissist and a psychopath.
     
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    Thanks I forgot to add that to the list. But I would rather call it an attempted coup. My TV was lying to me on 1/6. I don't need you to "break" any stupidity to me, it's a new day but I still wasn't born yesterday. That will also be true tonorrow and the next day.
     
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    I see the problem now, you believe what the TV has been feeding you. Perhaps you should turn it off of MSNBC and go outside for a while.
     
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    Nonsense she running an Investigation or a kangaroo court?
     
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  16. Patricio Da Silva

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    Facts are not partisan.

    If I said Sheila McBlahBlah is a communist who is running for congress, if she is a member of the communist party, running on the communist party platform, that is not a partisan statement, that is a statement of fact.

    If I called her a commie as an opponent to her in the campaign, THAT would be a partisan act.

    But, the FACT, in an of itself, is not partisan.

    Can you see the difference?

    Acts, deeds, etc., are partisan or can be, facts are not.

    Mischaracterizations, misstatements of fact, can definitely be partisan because
    they are misstated or mischaracterized to forward a political agenda.
     
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    I hold democrats in higher regard, such that their party membership won't cloud their desire to find facts.

    Republican, by virtue of the fact they support Trump, the most corrupt and despicable human being to occupy the White House in History, (the evidence for that contention is overwhelming ) I do not hold them in a high enough regard whereby I trust their impartiality.

    I would hold Kinzinger and Cheney to that standard, however.

    Those are the facts.

    The kind of bipartisanship you want cannot exist because Trump has destroyed the two party system, one side is a party, the other side is a criminal enterprize, it ceased being a party when the elected Trump.
     
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    The president got passed a major piece of legislation hitherto not acheved since the Civil Rights Bill of LBJ and the HIghway Project of Eisenhower, noting that in four years, Trump couldn't get it done.

    Other factors are pandemic caused,

    The purpose of 1/6 is not to find crimes,but to find the facts of the Whys and Hows.

    I think it is safe to presume ( given Garland's speech) that the DOJ/FBI are conducting their own investigations, and they are being tight lipped out it.

    Don't count your chickens, my friend.
     
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    I hold to what I said. Read the "Di-Hydrogen Monoxide Hoax" .

    https://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

    It's an example of how you can string together facts to paint a false narrative by leaving out other facts. That is how it can be dangerous for one party to take so much control of the investigation

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrogen_monoxide_parody
     
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    Unless it was all CGI I saw what I saw. I didn't need anyone to explain to me what I was seeing with my own eyes. Perhaps it's you who was outside that day and needs Fox News to explain to you that it was really a sightseeing tour of the Capitol. Then again you believe everything you're being fed by a psychopath, so I wouldn't talk about "tin foil" if I were you.
     
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    """"The purpose of 1/6 is not to find crimes, but to find the facts of the Whys and Hows. """
    The purpose of 1/6 committee is to keep Trump out of office via the 14th amendment..... and to invent and or spin any small issue into something it is not, feed it to the press, and let the press suppress the facts to their liking and then let the public opinion judge.... this whores and pony show is not about justice it is about power...
     
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    The facts of what happened are what they are. I am perfectly happy with the FBI doing a thorough investigation, and if those investigations result in indictments for crimes, great. I’m fine with that.

    What I want Congress to do is to focus on our problems rather than on a political show. You should too, because November is coming, and it hasn’t been a good year for y’all.

    The FBI and DOJ do their jobs, and Congress do its job.
     
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    The seat of our government was attacked and the president at the time, among many others in government, was instrumental in that. Even more disturbing, however, is how he tried to steal that election based on baseless claims of fraud. There is a lot for Congress to investigate there. Not the FBI, but Congress, because it's not just a matter of crimes, but of our political system failing to stop a president who was abusing his powers to the detriment of the republic.
     
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    Did you add attempted coup to your list as spygate and russiagate, and crossfire hurricane, and 2 fake impeachment and a scam $40 mill Mueller "probe", err, investigation were going on?... actually it all qualifies as a failed attempted coup.... so we now have a 3rd impeachment attempt with the same charges, same people who all have previously voted to impeach Trump... and yes it will also be true tomorrow and the next day as it has been the last 4 years.
     
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  25. Patricio Da Silva

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    It's part of congresses duties to investigate stuff, when it is warranted.

    I want Congress to do it's job, ALL of it's job, and this investigation is part it's job.

    If Congress can't investigate an attack on it's capitol, then what can it investigate?

    It's only a 'show' to you because it's a big deal, the media is going to give it a lot of coverage, there is no escaping that fact.
     

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