Rights Are God-Given

That means they were stolen, violated, that doesn't mean they don't exist.

 

LOL according to whom?

 

Big L vs little l. Law as in Law of Nature, law as in law of man.

 

idk where the hell people are getting this extremist theocracy crap - it's entirely unrelated to anything I actually said. Just one big strawman after another.

Holy ****ing hell dude

 

Can't be stolen unless there is a man made law saying it is and you have proof that property is indeed yours.
But if the person shoots you and takes your property, then you have no recourse. The man made laws could.

 

Did you forget that Europe, the ME and most of North Africa for centuries had almost universal faith in the same God yet it took the Age of Reason to grasp human rights? God has nothing to do with giving us rights nor protecting our rights, only governments and the consent of the governed can do that, history has proven this over and over again. I once asked a Menonite sitting next to me on a flight why he was going to Los Angeles, he said to preach and to convert people. I then asked him why. He said the world needs more Menonites. Why? He could not really answer but did reply to my last question "if everyone on earth was a Menonite, would war disappear? How about famine, disease, crime? He said they would all still be with us. I then asked the obvious "then why are you doing this?". No reply.

 

What are "rights"

When did they arrive?

Is there some authoritative list of these rights?

How did we learn of these rights from god?

And which cultures god instituted these rights? Do the gods of all cultures and epochs agree on these rights?

 

You misconstrue. I have a right to property, something intrinsic to myself, a right to own things. I don't have a legal right to particular property without a deed with the proper formalities.

If the person shoots me and takes my property, they have 1) taken my right to life 2) stolen my property which did not belong to them, and title of which does not pass to them simply because they have forcefully taken possession of it. Title rightfully passes to my heirs, though they may have to reattain possession.

 

I know that sometimes reading can be hard for some people, so let me see if saying the exact same ****ing thing you failed to comprehend in the OP might work better with a different font size, italic, and bold. Do I need to underline also? Gee, I hope not, that would be overkill.

So when you try to argue that God is not real, you're just arguing against some extraneous **** I didn't say.

 

Rights are what we agree they are.

Calling them "God Given" or "natural" is just a way to obfuscate.

 

Though I worship God every morning I wake up, I like and understand the absolute logic of your post!

 

Yes and at that point we work to gain once again our god-given rights. We pray to God and we fight when applicable. Live Free or Die.

 

Well, OBVIOUSLY rahl thinks that he should only have the right to live if the majority wishes he live.

 

Thanks. Idk why people are reaching for such strawmen, as if I'm advocating a repressive theocracy haha! Just saying that the protection of your own individual rights, regardless of your religious beliefs, is greater if your basic rights are regarded as God-given. But no, people need to get out those kneejerk reactions and argue against things no one said.

 

Let me reiterate this:

As far as whether or not God exists, it's extraneous, and idgaf. If it makes you feel better, reread the OP with the premise that you and the OP agree that God is a fiction. It doesn't change the point in the OP whatsoever.

 

You don't have to agree with me about my God - given rights. Just don't try to infringe upon them. They don't change like the wind.

 

Reality is what I am referring to. Law: The planet earth and the other eight planets revolve around the Sun. Law: If a Man and a Woman copulate when the Woman is ovulating, nine months later a child is born, under normal circumstances. Law: it takes the Moon 27 and 1/2 half days to revolve around the Planet Earth. The noted realities are LAWS; they have not changed since the establishment of said LAWS.

 

They change as we agree they change. Sometimes coming to that agreement is not so simple and they often change as society changes.

At one point we had the "right" to own slaves. God didn't give us that right and didn't take it away. The "agreement" changed

 

And what you call a "right" denied slaves the right to not be slaves, therefore it wasn't a true right at all, as rights are things which we can do without denying others the same. Natural or god given ights are not things which some people have, but others do not. They are things we all have, or you're just talking legislation.

 

Men and women were convicted in their hearts by God for a long time before it changed. Believe me...it wasn't the agnostics and atheists beating down the door of slavery.... it was Christians, real believers! Show me one atheist that ran the UNDERGROUND RAILROAD. No one agreed to undo slavery. It was undone through countless sacrifices. That is how our god-given rights are maintained.

 

Thanks. You agree with me.
You have a legal right. Man made, man enforced.

You have a right to defend your life, but not keep it, unless you successfully defend it. The might part.

As for the rest about heirs and deeds, more man made legal rights.

Which I am in favor of.
We are a nation of laws.

 

Ummmmmhuh?

That was some world class gobbledeygook!

 

There were a heck of a lot of God Fearing Christians trying to keep blacks in slavery as well

 

You have a problem understanding what I wrote, and I have a problem understanding quantum mechanics. I don't usually advertise my ignorance on the subject, but rather see it as something to work on.

 

If some god gave humans this right, why does man have to fight for them?

But it does back up my theory that the only god given right is might.