Rightwingers: America is Multi-Racial. Get used to it.

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  1. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

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    Funny, 150 million people are covered by it.
     
  2. KJohnson

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    Your message seems a bit all over the map so I'm not sure if this will address your issues or open everyone's eyes a bit as to what the future will entail if the socialist democrats have their way and continue on the path they're taking this country which basically is advocating for wide open borders and offering welfare entitlements to all who come.

    Millions or billions around the globe especially from INDIA are heading our way or have already infiltrated the U.S. as we speak through our southern border because democrats are obstructing and trying to even stop ICE from doing their jobs. They're loading up their sanctuary cities all across the U.S. many of which are thugs just so they can obtain their votes in upcoming elections. Those flooding in are NOT the highly educated types that can contribute but rather the low end of the societal scale many of which are criminals escaping poverty or criminal prosecution hoping to jump on entitlement programs.


    "Crimes in India rise in 2018 as compared to last year; murder, rapes see a spike, says this report"

    "Delhi Records Highest Crime Rate, Most Rape Cases Among 19 Major Cities"


    Democratic socialist party leaders are leading their brainwashed sheep to the slaughter with their idealistic approach advocating for wide open borders that help no one but them.

    Offering freebie this and freebie that is the popular democrat socialist way and therefore, it's no wonder so many are oohing and ahing over Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez who is portraying herself as some sort of savior that if elected will transform the government through her socialist giveaway programs that are unrealistic Utopian hogwash that can't possibly work. What she's offering sounds so good, liberals don't even want to fact check her or do the math because if they did, they'd realize the programs would bankrupt the nation in a VERY short period of time adding 32 trillion plus to an already stressed out 21 trillion dollar deficit. But I digress.

    For the record this has nothing to do with the color of anyone's skin. No one would have a problem with law abiding educated people coming to the U.S. no matter their skin color, who can contribute. Conservatives don't look at things through rose colored glasses. They want figures to add up. Unskilled labor, criminals, and rapists who can't speak the language and therefore, have to be carried living fully off American taxpayers are not helpful. They don't increase the bottom line but rather do the exact opposite putting the country even more in the red.



    So, my point is, it's all fair and nice to want to join hands and skip through a field of flowers with people from all over the globe until it finally hits you, who's going to pay the tab? And at what other cost? Is everyone okay that one of their family members may have to pay the price by being raped and murdered by someone that shouldn't have been here in the first place?
     
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  3. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    It explains that I'm not going to chase down your argument. Post the text you want me to read here or it isn't worth reading.



    Links should be posted to support your argument not make it for you. A link is not an argument

    7 hours is outrageous, and I'm willing to bet that isn't on three weekend


    Why I'm healthy? And if I get hurt i can just buy insurance then and cancel it after I'm better. There is no motivation to pay for it when I don't need it.
     
  4. Polydectes

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    they are idiots. They don't have to pay for it at all.
     
  5. WillReadmore

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    Well, we know it's cheaper. Every industrialized nation has some form of single payer type system, and they all spend less on health care than we do while delivering care to all of their citizens.

    For the rest, we know they live as long, have better birthing outcomes, and get pretty much everything we do, so that's why I'm asking you. I'm assuming you think there is something they don't get that we do get.

    I can't hunt for that. That's why I ask for that from you.
     
  6. ronv

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    You can only buy health insurance in the individual market (which includes through the health insurance exchanges as well as outside the exchanges) during open enrollment, a period of time when everybody can buy health insurance.


    If you don’t buy your health insurance during open enrollment, you’ll have to wait until the next open enrollment for another opportunity. If you get sick in the meanwhile, you’ll probably be out of luck.


    The period of open enrollment has become shorter. Starting with 2018 coverage, open enrollment will be only about six weeks long, running from November 1 to December 15 each year.

    Are you Russian?
     
  7. Polydectes

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    No it isn't. You can't just use direct cost to user. You have to factor in taxes.

    Show me that it's equal and not just with average lifespans.

    We don't know that they live longer.

    freedom and lower taxes.

    I just stated it.
     
  8. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    So there are fewer liberties.


    Still can't afford it. I Used to be able to but there was this uncanny association between an exorbitant price hike and government meddling.


    Less liberty, how nice.

    Why do you ask?
     
  9. LangleyMan

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    Straw man time? I didn't say bueaucracy isn't a problem.
     
  10. ronv

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    Gotta keep those deadbeat from gaming the system. Slick, right?

    I'm trying to figure out when that exorbitant price hike was. I guess percentage wise 2003.
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    Or maybe sooner.
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  11. Doug1943

    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You make one huge mistake in your reply, one that several other people have made.

    I am NOT advocating, supporting, defending, justifying illegal immigration. I absolutely support securing the border. I absolutely advocate tightening the laws about employing people who are here illegally, which is the best way to deal with illegal immigration.

    I don't expect you to read anything else that I have written on this forum -- why should you? -- but you will see elsewhere that I absolutely support secure borders, and admitting into the US only people whom we determine it is in our interests to admit.

    There is another argument to be had about what to do with people who are not citizens who are already here, especially their children. That's a separate argument.

    We can also argue about whether it would be smart to line the border with Claymore mines on trip-wires or machine-gun children being brought across. That's a separate argument. It's related to this one, but it's a separate argument.

    We can also argue about what kind of legal immigration we want. Does demography make a difference? Would five million people from Kenya have the same impact as five million from Poland? Again, that's a separate argument.

    I'm talking here about something completely different. Basically, that it is not necessary for conservatives to be stupid and to hand tens of millions of voters to the Left.

    A significant, and growing, section of the legal American population -- American citizens -- are non-white. This is a fact. It doesn't matter whether this fact is 'good' or 'bad' or strawberry ice cream.

    These people have the right to vote. Conservatives who don't want to see the socialists voted into office should spend some time thinking about how to undercut the socialist appeal to these non-white Americans. Get it?

    Fantasizing about how wonderful it would have been had we not brought millions of Africans over as slaves, fantasizing about dividing America into three nations, going on and on about how all these non-whites want is "free stuff" --- this may be emotionally satisfying to a certain kind of mentality, but ....THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE SOCIALISTS WANT YOU TO DO, OPENLY, PUBLICALLY, AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE!!!

    GET IT??? These people vote, and any conservative who acts like he doesn't want them here -- I'm talking about non-white Americans now, not illegal aliens -- is a FOOL. I don't care what your private internal feelings are. I don't care whether or not you 'treat everyone the same regardless of their skin color'. I'm talking about political tactics.

    If you are a paleo-libertarian pure free-market conservative ... someone who doesn't believe that there should be anything except a nightwatchman state ... a Murray Rothbard follower, someone who wants to repeal the 1964 Civil Rights Act, who calls the Civil War the 'War of Southern Independence' and sympathyzes with the slavocracy ... then fine. You're not a conservative, you're a RINO, but that's just a question of semantics. The overwhelming majority of conservatives have a different approach to politics, and they're right to do so.

    We have to reach non-white people. They're not a monolithic bloc of welfare-state addicts, or violent gang-bangers. Most of them have jobs, have families, want law and order, want a strong American military, want their children to get a good education.

    Conservatives have policies for all of these things that are different from the policies of the Left. We have to use all the tools of democratic politics to popularize these policies among all sections of the population, including the growing -- yes, growing!!!!! -- non-white population.

    I gave a specific example of where a conservative approach to a burning issue has proved popular among non-whites, the issue of 'school choice'. It's telling, and discouraging, that not a single responder on the Right has said anything about this.

    One of our most powerful weapons against the Left, which has already split them, which causes hysteria among them, and the conservatives on this forum just ignore it. A gift to the Left.

    It's very simple, really.

    Are we 'white nationalists' or not? Look -- I'm an old, Southern, white male. I went to all-white segregated schools, said the Lord's Prayer every day, was slightly surprised to see the one or two women in my physics classes at University. All this, even though consciously I was a million miles from these attItudes. But I know I have all the ingrained prejudices -- the sub-cortical emotional reflexes, especially the distastes and fears, of the time and place I was raised in. As the Russians would put it, I'm a "man of the old formation". You can reason your way out of these things consciously but you can never root them out of your subconscious.

    I'm not arguing the rights and wrongs of 'white nationalism' -- whites have as much right to be nationalists about their race as anyone else, and, as the people -- or their European component at least -- who have created the modern world, every reason to be proud. Compared to the non-whites of the world, whites are the least nationalistic/racist people of all.

    But America is a multi-racial country. If you let 'white pride' -- pride in inventing the modern world -- come across as disdain for non-whites, you're a political idiot.

    If you give the appearance of wishing that it was not a multi-racial country, if you appear to just grudgingly accept that it is, if you just write off the non-white population as a monolithic bloc of socialist-inclined welfare-seekers at best and violent criminals at worst -- you're a political idiot.

    If conservatives identify themselves as white nationalists, or even appear to be including white nationalists as a legitimate part of their 'big tent' ... then we are doomed.

    Let the psychotics and anti-Semites and personal-inadequates obsess over their race. Don't let them near the conservative movement and drive out the ones who have wormed their way in.
     
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  12. Tim15856

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    That list in no way shows state debt.
     
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    We're not the only two people on this planet.
     
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    No, it does not show state debt, average temperature, or the incidence of tick bites.

    It shows the states' relative level of dependence upon federal financial assistance.
     
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    This is why I support separating one's medical insurance from one's job. I favor any policy that would move us toward individuals purchasing their own medical insurance just as they purchase their own homeowners, life, and auto insurance.
     
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    Suite yourself. Later.
     
  18. Tim15856

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    And I don't believe that shows the financial stability of a state. Not as much as burden of debt.
     
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    However you assess your "financial stability of a state" it is lessened by federal financial assistance, the relative level of which has been provided.
     
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    So you think there's people out there who have their car stolen 20% of the time so 1 out of 5 days they walk out of the house and their car is stolen or they get into car accidents 5% of the time to thats about 18 a year you think that's normal?

    No having car accident is not an average day I doubt it's even close to average.
     
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    What in bloody hell tangent are you going off on now? Nevermind....as usual you're a waste of time.
     
  22. ronv

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    Just a little.....
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    I guess your memory of the stupid things you say is extremely perishable.

    I was explaining that car insurance is a just-in-case thing for something that is very rare and you said it was very common and explained to me that you had two car accidents in your life and one time your car was stolen. As if that means it's not rare rare doesn't mean never happens rare means seldom happens.

    But go ahead and play dumb that's what you do when your point is successfully argued.
     
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    It's common in that there are car accidents on a daily basis throughout the country, which I already said. In fact, I believe it's estimated there are almost 16,000 car accidents per day in the US. So yes, they are common.
     
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    even then it's not coming it's not the average Driving Experience. Even one out of a hundred of my commutes and I commute 40 miles one way in the third or fourth largest city in the United States I may see a car accident.

    out of 90 million commuters 70 million? How many commuters would you estimate in the United States there are on any given day?

    It's still rare it appears you don't know what rare means.

    I would say if it's one in every thousand it would be considered rare.
     

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