http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/video/2014-03/10/c_133174389.htm BEIJING, March 10 (Xinhuanet) -- Tens of thousands took part in rival demonstrations across the Ukraine on Sunday. One of the largest pro-Russian rallies was held in the eastern city of Donetsk. As CCTVs Jack Barton reports, tense scenes ensued as people cemented their allegiance to either Ukraine or Russia. Thousands of supporters of Russia fill the center of Donetsk in Eastern Ukraine calling for a Crimea style referendum on the future of the city and the surrounding region of Donbas. "Donbas is not Ukraine. Donbas is Russian land," said Sergey Kuvayev, former Soviet soldier. Others just want greater autonomy within Ukraine. "We speak about self governance of our region first of all," said Kirill, protester. ... a few dozen supporters of Ukrainian unity gathered anyway, facing off against thousands of pro-Russia activists. For a few minutes they hold their ground then are overwhelmed, some are beaten. One thing is clear. Kiev is starting to lose control of this eastern city, where the pro-Russia rallies are now growing. ---------------------------------- Government of idiots and Nazis is loosing control.
This is not surprising. Neo-Nazi asked for this trouble and now, they want to gain some support of EU and USA.
Fighting to gain the monopoly over the legal use of force. What a boring cause. It's like the Bloods and Crips fighting over gang territory. All that changes is the gang affiliation of the man extorting protection money from your corner shop.
There's a helluva lot more to what's going on in Ukraine than some petty turf war between two American gangs, SP.
This is from Russia Today. Funny how these things are never mentioned in our press: The Russian Foreign Ministry has criticized western governments and media for turning a blind eye on alarming incidents in Ukraine, including a gun attack on a pro-Russian rally in the city of Kharkov. According to eyewitness reports, some seven or eight masked people drove a mini-van to a Saturday rally in central Kharkov, which was demanding a regional referendum on whether it should follow Crimeas suit and seek joining Russia. The men armed with bats and handguns ambushed three activists, who were returning from the rally. They threatened to kill us. I covered my head so they hit me on the hands. We barely realized what was happening, one of the victims told Live News tabloid. The attackers fired several shots in the scuffle, wounding one of the pro-Russian activists in the back. The injury was not life-threatening. Read on -- http://rt.com/news/kharkov-gun-attack-denounced-842/
Not surprising. The #BOWDOWN MSM is too busy parroting Harry Reid's bleating about the nefarious Koch Brothers. Somehow, I can't catch the fear and paranoia...
The most pertinent thread in all of this is here: http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=345487 Please read it closely, and consider that this guy is living in Ukraine, and telling us what he sees. Also consider that information coming from RT is the Voice of the State. Their Chief editor resigned on the air just yesterday. I prefer to believe the eye witness account of Ender8419, who says that these "revolts" are staged for the purpose of propaganda, with an eye to the referendum of 16 Mar. Between now and then, maybe our domestic events are more interesting, and pertinent to life in America.
Regular Joe, you are not so regular, because you try to discredit the messenger, but you cannot hide the message. RT is further to the left, comparing with ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN. Documentary footage and neo Nazi actions and words are genuine. Snipers were prepared and strategically deployed by "protesters". Maidan government suddenly became less enthusiastic about the "investigation" of who, when and why shot people. Riot police was not even armed, but protesters were well prepared to fight and kill, which they did. RT is a voice of verifiable information. RT is more reliable then the bunch of corporate media, pleasing their owners.
RT is as much under pressure to show a particular view as the western corporate media. It doesn't matter who is right or wrong, the fact of the matter is just that Russia wants the warm water port and access to the med. That is not important enough for the rest of the world to risk conflict, so the rest if the world has to work out how to give it to them without losing face... Critical to this is what to do with the Crimean Tartars...
Wowee! I came to look at this thread because I saw that Latherty brought the linked thread back to the first page. Have you even had a look at these posts by Ender 8419? Your little tirade here shows a mix of information. Good on you for trying to make sense of it all. It seems that some of the more recent protest video was staged. I haven't been following closely enough to say who is and who is not credible, but when we're dealing with military guys who wear no insignia, and Oligarchs who are just trading places, it's very hard to say. I credit Latherty for keeping this discussion in perspective by reminding us that the primary interest that Russia has in all of this is their warm water port, and their gas/petroleum lines and terminals. This all suggests a political arrangement very similar to that regarding the Suez or Panama canal, doesn't it? If the "world" is so worried about making sure that everyone involved can play well with others, the discussion has to begin with assuring Russia that they can fortify and defend their economic assets.
I think using the accusation"nazi!" is effective in the Ukraine as not all memories of Operation Barbarosa have faded.
