Romney Takes Lead in Ohio as Obama Campaign Panics

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  1. raytri

    raytri Well-Known Member

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    Well of COURSE I didn't mean you, 12th. :)
     
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    But we could just as easily say that Obama flip-flopped to get votes on gay marriage, gun control, marijuana decriminalization or a whole host of other issues on which Obama has dramatically shifted his positions.

    He said on videotape, "I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer universal health care plan," Obama declared at an AFL-CIO event in 2003. "A single-payer health care plan, universal health care plan. That's what I'd like to see."

    A single-payer health care system is a socialized program in which government is the sole purchaser of health care, akin to what exists in Canada. But as president, Obama has repeatedly attacked critics for suggesting he wants to orchestrate a government takeover of the health care system. Either he owes his critics an apology, or he has flip-flopped on his previous support for single-payer health care.

    During his 2008 primary fight with Hillary Clinton, one of the few areas of domestic policy disagreement centered around the individual mandate. Clinton was a strong supporter of the idea, but Obama was emphatically opposed.

    But Obama signed an individual mandate into law as president. According to the Congressional Budget Office, once it's in effect, 6 million Americans will still lack insurance but will be forced to pay penalties totaling $7 billion -- precisely the situation Obama warned about. Most of those penalties will be borne by the middle class.


     
  3. mertex

    mertex New Member Past Donor

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    Are you going by Faux News polls or Rasmussen polls? Here's the real skinny. Sorry to burst your bubble.

    By Mark Murray, NBC News Senior Political Editor
    Three days until Election Day, President Barack Obama maintains his lead in the key battleground state of Ohio and is locked in a close contest with Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney in Florida, according to new NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Marist polls.

    In Ohio, Obama holds a six-point advantage over Romney among likely voters, 51 percent to 45 percent, which is unchanged from last month’s poll in the Buckeye State.
    Read the Ohio poll here
    And in Florida, the president gets support from 49 percent of likely voters, while his GOP challenger gets 47 percent. Those numbers are virtually identical to the ones from October, when it was Obama 48 percent, Romney 47 percent.
    http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/02/14891866-polls-obama-stays-ahead-in-ohio-deadlocked-with-romney-in-fla?lite

    In Wisconsin, on Nov 2, it is Obama 50.5, Romney 45.6.
    http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2012-wisconsin-president-romney-vs-obama


    In Iowa, on Nov 2, it's Obama 49.0, Romney 465.76
    http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2012-iowa-president-romney-vs-obama

    In New Hampshire, on Nov 2, it is Obma 49.3, Romney 46.6.
    http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2012-new-hampshire-president-romney-vs-obama

    In Virginia, on Nov 2, it is Obama 48.1, Romney 47.2
    http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2012-virginia-president-romney-vs-obama
     
  4. sammy

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    Listen, every poll predicts voter turnout to be stronger for Romney.
    So, there is no reason to ignore that fact unless you are biased.
    It's just common sense that Romney has the momentum and motivated voters
    behind him.

    We should not ignore history and 2010 broke the 2008 poll model.
    So why are liberal polls still clinging to it?
     
  5. mertex

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    The only reason we couldn't get Single Payer health care is all the fault of Republicans in Congress. Obama didn't flip, he got the best he could with Republicans in Congress being obstinate, and the only reason the Democrats in Congress went against single payer is because they thought that is what Republicans wanted, and to get them on board, they opted for it. But eventually they didn't get on board, just like they didn't on anything else. Obama didn't flip, you are being disingenuous or just parroting what you hear on Faux News.

    Romney not only has flipped, he has unflipped and then re-flipped.
    He was for mandate health care in Massachusetts, then he went against Obamacare because of mandate, claimed he would repeal it, and lately he has been saying he is going to overhaul it! Now that's a flip-flop-flip.
     
  6. Hoosier8

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    Yeah, it was the republicans fault they were shut out of all the back room dealing on the ACA with the insurance companies by democrats. It was the republicans fault that the democrats passed the ACA.
     
  7. mertex

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    Even your Republican-leaning newspaper has accepted the fact, but keep on dreaming.


    MONTGOMERY VILLAGE, Md., November 2, 2012 – We are nearing the end of the most expensive political campaign in history. The Citizens United “corporations are people” decision by the Supreme Court has raised the ante, and some of us have been bombarded day and night with political ads. Almost continuous polling is telling us at this time that the election is too close to call. However, I am convinced that President Obama will be reelected. The two main reasons are the things that Republicans will not be able to shake. One is the 47 percent remark, and the other is the abortion/contraception/rape gaffes by the conservatives.


    Read more: Why President Obama will win this election | Washington Times Communities
     
  8. mertex

    mertex New Member Past Donor

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    Republicans in Congress did it to themselves. And, it was the Republicans in Congress's fault that Democrats had to resort to "Republican tactics" in order to pass ACA. And, Republicans, once they start benefitting from it, won't want to get rid of it as Romney/Ryan would like, just like they didn't want to get rid of Medicare, much to Ryan's surprise.
     
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    Barone

    Ohio (18). The anti-Romney auto bailout ads have Obama running well enough among blue-collar voters for him to lead most polls. But many polls anticipate a more Democratic electorate than in 2008. Early voting tells another story, and so does the registration decline in Cleveland's Cuyahoga County. In 2004, intensity among rural, small -town and evangelical voters, undetected by political reporters who don't mix in such circles, produced a narrow Bush victory. I see that happening again. Romney.
     
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    Surging? Only in the minds of GOPers.
     
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    Here in Ohio we usually elect Republican Governors, our Supreme Court Judges are Republican, most of our State Reps are Republican, so are most Mayors. Obama's early voting numbers are WAY down compared to 08 and Republican numbers are WAY up from 08. That swing neutralized the margin Obama won with last time. Plus Inds are swinging 3-1 for Romney. I think we will deliver here in Ohio.
     
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    It's amazing that anyone in Ohio would vote for Romney. I guess if you don't have a job in the auto industry or any company that deals with autos in any way you wouldn't care that Romney would have let Detroit along with Ohio go down the drain, and that he is lying his ass off claiming that Jeep is being sent to China. I guess lying is not a big deal for Republicans, let's just hope that more sensible Ohioans see him for what he is and will deliver Ohio to the right one, the one that saved their butts.
     
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    The Reuters poll was taken yesterday. An NBC/Marist poll was taken today. All are showing an Obama lead. Obama has led the state in polls since this election began.

    So every poll except Rasmussen is a "liberal" poll? Okay. And they aren't using the 2008 models. No poll is. That is a fantasy cooked up by Karl Rove and other conservatives to try to say the polls are biased or incorrect. As one statistician stated; If all of these state polls are incorrect, then it will be the largest failure of state polls in the history of U.S. politics.

    Good luck with that.
     
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    Listen, Romney’s strength with independents keeps growing in every poll. Romney has a 12 pt advantage now.

    He has only grown stronger and independents shall vote Romney into Office.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...c480ba-255c-11e2-92f8-7f9c4daf276a_story.html

    In 2008 Obama beat McCain with independents by eight points.
    So we have a 20 pt swing in Romney's favor with independents.
    Obama can't possibly win Ohio if these numbers are true.
     
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    Where are you getting the idea Romney is leading among independents in Ohio?
     
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    All polls I've read agree on that fact. It's also proven in past elections that the challenger gets the majority of independents. If you can show otherwise, go ahead.

    But it's not just the independent advantage that assures a Romney victory.

    There is an enthusiasm advantage that polls did not capture in 2010.

    There is a double advantage for Romney that a thinking man can appreciate.
     
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    No grasshopper, you are believing loony liberal nonsense. What Romney wanted was for GM and Chrysler, not Detroit, to go through normal bankruptcy. NOT go down the drain as idiot liberals put it. b.o. said he would NOT let the US auto industry go bankrupt. But, of course, GM and Chrysler DID go bankrupt. But obama violated existing laws and arranged a ridiculous government 'issued" bankruptcy. One where unions won and the real financiers of the auto industry lost. That is stupid business. Now Chrysler has been given away to Italy and Fiat. And GM is still saddled with the same union problems that precluded any possibility of being competitive. When our $50 billion of taxpayer money runs out, GM will be finished. And then will the financiers that got robbed before be interested in, not a bankrupt business, but a failed beyond any hope of recovery business? Not likely.

    A normal bankruptcy and GM could have emerges stronger than ever without union anchors holding them down. Many large, well known, American businesses have done so and the chances that GM would have done as well are about 99 to 1. Now, Its a matter of TIME until GM is history.

    Just another way that the bogus buffoon has anally raped you and you walk away smiling.
     
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    Howabout you post those polls so we can see them?
     
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    Ive been a real political junkie this last month. I have been watching CNN, MSNBC, Fox, even network news.
    Honestly, all of the people who I have seen interviewed on video or print, none of them have even once mentioned any of those isssues. NONE. Honestly.
    These pundits make things up and they are a bunch of talking heads. Very little imaginative or individualistic thinking from them. How many predicted Romeny would totally ignore Benghanzi in the final debate? I didnt hear it ever remotley mentioned even one time, NONE of them had any decent forethought. Romney thought of, and came up with a strategy that none of them could. Hence, why they are pundits instead of being an elected official.
     
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    There is no way that Romney will win Ohio unless the voter turnout is much lower than expected or there is trouble at the polls.
     
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    DIdnt Bush win Ohio TWICE?

    OUCH ! There are gonna be some unhappy libs when they read your post :)
     
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    I think its amazing how anyone can think its amazing that not every single voter in Ohio doesnt vote for Obama.
     
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    even funnier, it's REGISTERED voters, not likely voters. and it's Marist. Bwahahahahahaha!
     
  25. raytri

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    No its not; its likely voters.

    Where do you guys get these completely wrong ideas?
     
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