Russia: Military planes carry materials for Syrian tent camp

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  1. Yazverg

    Yazverg Well-Known Member

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    http://news.yahoo.com/russia-military-planes-carry-materials-syrian-tent-camp-130926092.html

    A new assymetric and 'polite' action of Russia. Instead of bargaining and quarrelling for the amounts of refugees from Syria as Russia's western partners do it performs a help to a legal syrian government, which makes it easier for them to cope with the problem. A well-timed move! It deflects shallow propaganda that the activity of Russia is 'destabilizing' the region and other blah-blah.

    Of course, joining Russia in the efforts to restore peace and help syrian people will damage the US strategy of overthrowing Assad and it will make things for ISIS more complicated. But it is very logical if syrian refugees stay in Syria, rebuild their country themselves and stop the starting world war in its cradle. What will be the move of EU? What will be the move of the US?
     
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    Russia reportedly sends an anti-aircraft battery to a country where the US is staging airstrikes

    Russia is also staging naval exercises off Syria's coast.

    The anti-aircraft system would be operated by Russian troops, rather than Syrians, the Western officials said
    http://news.sky.com/story/1551317/russia-defiant-as-missile-system-sent-to-syria
     
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    It's our allies... When the US makes training with their allies and supplies them with weapons against a 'possible aggression of Russia' it is also fine. Russia performed mutual training and supplied Kazakhstan with weapons as well.
     
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    Then stop this nonsense about peaceful asymmetric "polite" action of Russia. It's exactly what the US/West says it is - Russia's direct MILITARY involvement into the civil war and you are not fooling anyone.
     
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    Meh, its just the age old game of alliances and relativity.

    Who looks evil from your end is a freedom fighter for theirs.

    But yes, claiming peace is a joke
     
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    Woa! Easy. Easy.
    1. The one thing is the weapon trading and making allies with the subjects of UN. Syria has not been excluded from UN. It doesn't have any other legal elected government but Assad's one. Our western partners repeat the assumption of the US leadership that Assad needs to be overthrown. There were a number of red lines and screened provocations, which didn't impress russian leadership, but did impress a lot of people in the west. For the moment the US is trying to support good rebels against Assad simultaneously trying not to give the weapons to bad rebels which is ISIS. The mission is impossible because there is hardly any difference. Despite the backing of the US ISIS (good and bad) got some territory of Syria but failed to get the victory. So the US had to face a further complication that it needs to somehow overthrow Assad but make it looking as if it is not a help to ISIS which would for sure take over. This is entirely a problem of the White Chaos part of american politicians. If they make an agression which would resuly in a world war - this is their choice. But it is not any reason for Putin to sit still aside and feel punished under the sanctions. It is not a reason to refuse of an ally and to give up. It is US which needs to refuse of its aggression in ME. The decision is obvious, but it has to be made by the US.

    2. The delivery and organising a place for refugees in Syria is a different move which is described in the article. There is no need to share-trade refugees inside the EU countries showing the absolute incapability of administration to control the internal borders of EU. The problem of refugees has no other solvation rather than helping syrians to organise their life in Syria. You don't want refugees? Send them back to Assad with a number of tents, stoves and food. Like Russia does. If EU gives away Syria to ISIS - they will have to host half of former Syria and former Libya experiencing constant jihad terrorist strikes. The choice is obvious. But it is after the EU.
     
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    This is about right. Unfortunately there are no good guys in Syria but that doesn't stop people from piling on.
     
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    I don't know what move Europe or the U.S. will make. But personally I am glad that someone is actually starting to take ISIS seriously. Neither the U.S. or Europe have up to this point. I agree, for a stable Syria and in turn perhaps a stable Iraq, Assad is about the only hope. Assad has done nothing to merit overthrowing, but Kaddafi didn't either. Neither were exporting state sponsored terrorism and Assad actually freedom of religious expression.

    I think it is high past time for both the U.S. and Europe to ask themselves who would they rather having ruling Syria, Assad or ISIS? For me the choice is plain to see.
     
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    Let's be realistic. Under those folded tents were probably some lead containers carrying surplus russian plutonium.
    The treaty says Iran can't produce their own. It doesn't say they can't buy it.
     
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    1. There are easier ways for Moscow to supply Iran with whatever is suitable for both. Moreover if the economic sanctions continue and Iran offers a nice price it would speed up the negative scenario. Putin blocked the delivery of S-300 anti-air missiles to Iran some years before. If the mutual trust is revived he will never think of delivery of nuclear bomb to a risky region torn with wars.

    2. If the organisation of placement for syrian refugees starts to be an international project rather than initiative of Putin - it will be much easier to check what is inside the humanitarian help.

    Being realistic IMO is making real and useful moves rather than suspecting each other of being empires of evil.
     
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    Can't believe anything coming out of the Western press. It's all being picked up from the Israeli news.
     
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    Now, Let's be really realistic. If Iran developed nuclear weapons, then not only would it be a threat to Russia, but Saudi Arabia will want them as well. Even worse, Turkey will want them and I wouldn't put it past Washington complying with it...and let's face it, we all know how insane Turkey's leaders can be. It's an Ottoman tradition.
     
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    The problem with Washington are those who run it behind the scenes. They have their own agendas of continuous chaos and the last thing they want is a meddling Russia striving for peace.
     
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    Really now? Is Russia giving them more barrels for barrel bombs?
     
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    All is good what doesn't come into the hands of ISIS. "By mistake" (c)
     
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