Russia Says That Threats Of A Dirty Bomb By Ukraine Is Real

Raw numbers mean little

Since they mean so little, rawn numbers of civilians casualties in Ukraine also mean little.

Or do numbers magically matter if you like the side?

Edit. Since you dismissed the main point off hand without even addressing it. It has become evident that you're not arguing in good faith. Bye

 

That is retarded level stupid. I mean that. You should at least make your nonsensical propaganda believable to to someone who is not mentally disabled.

 

What a joke .. claiming to be a teacher of History ... expert in the 20th century .. but have demonstrated a lack of understanding US terror since the end of WW2.

US guilty of a whole lot more than a couple of obscure murders mate .. the fact that you can't come up with any substantive examples is proof positive of a complete fail mate.

Then there is the fact that I have prevously told you about some of these activities .. under your beloved Rotten Ronnie .. who trained the soldiers of death squad dictators in terror tactics at the "School of the America's"

Did you forget that one Dayton ? how about being allied with and supporting Saddam whilst using Chemical Weapons "WMD" Sarin Gas .. the real deal .. unlike Biden's JV team in Syria The "Islamic State"

Sup Dayton .. we discussed all these things previously .. memory not functioning or is this another of your intentionally pretending not to understand ..

Where did you say you took got your History training again ? Something unconventional you mentioned .. was it Home-schooling perhaps ?

 

Bloviate all you want, but it comes down to this: There is nothing in Ukraine that is a vital national interest of the USA... no oil, no wheat, no nothing. We got along fine without Ukraine for a long time when it was part of the USSR. We had plenty of food and fuel. We don't need Ukraine. They are not part of NATO. We are spending endless billions of dollars defending Ukraine's borders while we leave our own borders wide open. It's madness.

 

A "dirty bomb" does not involve any nuclear explosion. It is not a battlefield tactical nuclear weapon. Is it strictly a tool for terrorists. You can make a "dirty bomb" from a few sticks of dynamite and the refuse from a cancer hospital. It is a conventional explosion which contaminates an area with non-weapons grade radioactive material to scare the populace with danger of cancer, deformed children and such. It is simply a tool to scare the populace.

 

Germany and China came out of their meeting and told Russia to knock the nuke **** off.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...hina-germany-visit-lets-work-together-says-xi

Probably best not to piss off big bro, Russia. China knows it sorely needs trade with more then ****ing Russia. It needs the west.

 

Give up to Russia fascist regime, who hate US, all they want dropping US prestige to the ground, and I bet in future you will spend 0 dollars because of this kind of policy.

 

Why do you insist on insulting me FF? And we didn't have home schooling anywhere around me during the 1970s and 80s.

For starters I read. You should try it sometime. And I don't mean left wing and anti American sources you seem to prefer.

Wish you would stop insulting my knowledge and education FF.

 

Actually Ukraine is one of the worlds major wheat producers.

 

Likely he already knew that.

 

So you have no rebuttal? No wonder you're instead trying to dismiss the argument

 

I am not insulting you mate -- you are the one insulting yourself .. I merely point out your mistakes - such as your announcement that you lack understanding of US History since WW2 .. unable to come up with examples of US engaging in acts of terror .. crying "Proof Proof" when the subject came up. even though examples were given you in previous conversations .. leaving us two options .. either you forgot .. or you are just pretending not to understand .. a game you play to which you have previously admitted.

You then finish off with an insult .. after crying "why do you insist on insulting me" some desperate bout of projection of your failings onto others .

Sorry D -- someone who claims to be a History Teacher "expert in 20th century history" -- should know at least the basic stuff .. got a big Phat (F) on this report card

 

I never said that. You are lying as usual. and you'll no doubt go crying to the moderator for me calling you out for lying about me.

Why do you lie so much about me?

 

Along with a large scoop of projection .. desperate to tar others with own personal failings.

Looks to me like USV be the one gulped down one to many Propaganda Kool-aid drinks .. and when necessary illusion bubble is challenged .. can naught but twirl around crying "Russia Russia -- is tall Russian Propaganda"

Seems almost a trained response .. of the thought stopping kind .. something more often seen in the religion section ..

Who is the "Mentally disabled" one here USVet .. unable to make an argument .. never mind a coherent one .. only capable of "nonsensical" Ad Hom Fallacy --- when in doubt "Demonization of the Other" like they teach in religious cults of the Fundamentalist variety .. "Thought stopping techniques" ..

 

But we haven't ever needed it... it was part of the USSR. We have Kansas and Iowa.

 

Yes you did ... you crying "Prove it" claims that you are not aware of the proof. Any History prof who doesn't know of the existence of at least a few examples US support for Terror since end of WW2 . is not well versed in the subject.

In your case ... numerous examples have been pointed out to you on numerous occassions -- Central America under Rotten Ronnie .. Arms ..supporting death squad dictators in El Salvador - Guatemala .. Suharto in Indonesia- East Timor Genocide , Support for Saddam while using Poison Gas -- War in Syria .. War in Yemen .. of which Obama already been labeled "Complicit in war crimes" by the ICC

and numerous other example were you schooled previously .. but now you run around pretending never knew of the War in Iraq .. the hundreds of thousands of civilians killed .. atrocities .. some leaked by our good friend Assange .. Pretending were never schooled on the war in Syria - that Anti - Assad forces were "The Islamic State" .. this new State that existed on the planet for 3 years.. but now you pretend to be unaware -- never heard of the Obama-Biden JV team. .

Don't call others Liars -- because you pretend to forget what you say from one post to the next -- and do so intentionally - and having admitted such in our "private conversation" which you initiated .. and then complained to the mods for my pointing out that the shoe fits.

 

Thanks Gifted One.

 

I'm fully aware of what you have claimed. What I do not do is acknowledge them as examples of "terrorism".

 

I'm fully aware of the War in Iraq. After all I not only supported it but lobbied in favor of the invasion.

And if the "terrorism standard" is hundreds of thousands of civilians killed then that makes the U.S. involvement in World War Two "terrorism" and FDR a bigger "terrorist" than you've ever claimed President Reagan was. Will you admit to that?

Thought not.

 

Doesn't matter .. as explained to you previously . you know about the examples .. and cried Prove it .. rather than saying you did not view supporting death squad dictators who are slaughtering and committing genocide on their own people "terror" .. which at that point would prove you were not well versed and history ... slicing and dicing your silliness either way

Suharto in East Timor - esitmated 1/3 of population killed .. Genocide .. war crimes .. crimes against humanity. You claiming that this was not Genocide - war crime - "Terror" -- shows a lack of understanding of History and the subject matter.

In the Truth and reconcilliation commission - guatemala - the slaughter of villages recounted .. women taken to one end .. raped tortured and then murdered .. children to the other .. slaughtered.

but you wish to claim this was not terror .. not a crime against humanity .. in fact you went onto deny that Rotten Ronnie had no culpability .. supporting these death squad dictators .. and training their leaders in Terror at the "School of the America's"

but to not even claim this was a crime against humanity .. is simply not something a qualified historian would say .. proffering some made up moronic definition - one that you know is moronic - in some desperate attempt to win a point - crying "thats not a terrorism" ..as if war crimes against humanity do not count.

Sorry charlie .. Rotten Ronnie was big supporter of perpetrators of terror .. or did you want to now claim that if it wasnt done by Muslims .. it wasn't terror.. but even in that .. you were given numerous exampes of the Muslim brand of terror .. supported by da USA .. pretending to never heard of that.

aye and forgot about Saddam -- That was a Muslim .. and perhaps Suharto as well.

you seriously want to claim you had no knowledge of any support for terror - war crimes - crimes against humanity - listed above - with a straight face ?

 

And Russia is controlled by an authoritarian midget hitler with dreams of being the next Peter the Great.

Authoritarian rule sucks. It is regressive opressive and meddling into private buisness and capital. Which is why it lags behind democracies.

Need proof? North Korea/South Korea.

I don't paticularly like or enjoy American history but if the end goal or net result is the spread of democracy and freedom...then worth it. Look at Russia's friend Iran. They are about to put 20k protestors to death. If any place needs a second amendment and democracy...Iran is one of those places.

 

Terrorism is the threat of killing innocent civilians... like flying planes into The World Trade Center, driving a car at high speed through a neighborhood block party, or shooting up an office Christmas party. Killing enemy combatants is a whole different deal. In the spirit of avoiding killing innocent civilians we have developed a whole new weapon technology of "precision" weapons like JDAMS. We don't do wide area "carpet bombing" anymore either. Carpet bombing killed a lot of innocent civilians in the past, but it was the best we could do at the time. Noncombatants get killed in war. But we get better all the time at avoiding that. Sadly, we still have a way to go.

 

Terrorism " is violence used with the primary intent of attacking the spirit and morale of people by terrifying them (hence the word "terrorism"). Thus a single sniper shooting a dozen or so people can be called "terrorism" while mass firebombing of a heavily populated city and killing hundreds of thousands MIGHT NOT be TERRORISM if the city is a viable military target.

 

Exactly. Except a "dirty bomb" set off by ISIS could be massive.

 

And yet we pay no attention when Ukraine uses American weapons to bomb civilian targets. If you get on to 46:00, you can see Ukraine's latest attack on the civilians of Donetsk with American Himars. This attack on civilians has been Ukraines response to everything in the past 8 years, from Ukraine's military defeats to todays ongoing black outs.

Since Donetsk is now part of Russia, it means we are at war.