Russian diplomats expelled across US and Europe !

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  1. vis

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    I am sorry, but for example, Deutsche Bahn is the state owned company, same as Deutsche Post. Lufthansa was state owned until 1994, now it is not, but the state has a lot of shares in it. I do not see a problem that the government controls large companies-there is nothing bad in it. Only good, as it can assist the companies in case of the economic difficulties. As far as small and middle business is concerned, I know a lot of companies that are not state owned, like NT-MDT, that produces high-end atomic force and near-field microscopes, IPG Photonics, that produces the best high-power fiber lasers in the world, and many others. I do not understand how nationalism is related to the number of Russian trolls on the forum- there is no correlation between two things. In addition, I am sure there are a lot of American trolls in the forum- in this case what conclusion should I make?
    How do you know that there is plenty of hate towards non-Slavs? I am sure you have not even visited Russia to make any judgements on that.
    It is a multi-national country, where for example Chuvashi or Bashkirs, who are muslims go along with Russians quite well. Go to Kazan and see how tatars live there- beautiful city where again Russians and Tatars go along very well. Russia can not be a fascist state by definition as it suffered most in the WW2 from fascism.
     
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    Why?
     
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    Fascism and Communism are basically different things. Read Brittanica Encyclopedia and educate yourself.
     
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    Probably because BBC told him so :-D
     
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    In fascist Italy private businesses existed, but major industries were state owned. Just like in Russia.
    Russia is a fascist state.
    Russia didn’t suffer from fascism in WWII, it was nazism. But with the way non-Slavs are treated in Russia it’s not too far from nazism as well.
     
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    So Germany is a fascist state now? You are just playing with words- in WW2 these two words were equivalent for Russians. You have no idea how non-slavs are treated in Russia.
     
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    What's the way?
     
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    Honestly i dont see why the west is making a such big deal about it. Feels orchestrated or at the very least a storm in a glass.
    The guy was a double spy or traitor to russia. Id say thats the risk you take and i would absolutly say the same about a double spy from eu or belgium.(dont care about us)
    As for snowden before anybody brings it up. I reckon he has redeeming features since he was a whistleblower to the public. But its not like russia would react like this if the us poisened him while hiding in russia( pretty sure uk first reaction in such case would be to say russia is overreacting or supporting us like a good little dog)

    Shame about the daughter though. And stil dont see proof that russia did it, especially since some uk politicians admitted the uk got it to, probably us to and who knows howmany got it in stock.

    Its not because they invented it that they did it. Thats like blaming whoever country invented the gun that some guy shot a school with it(no offence intended) (and wasnt it china ? The us might someday actually just do what i just sayd if so)
     
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    In the United States you have freedom of speech. You can go up to Donald Trump and say, "I don't like Donald Trump." In Russia you have the same freedom. You can go up to Vladimir Putin and say, "I don't like Donald Trump."
     
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    Nope. Both are fundamentally forms of socialism.
    The primary difference is only the name of the parties involved,

    The motherland vs the fatherland. Oh, big difference.
     
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    Socialist political systems from the same era based on the same political ideologies. Engles and Marx.
    Occuring in neighbouring countries espousing the same principles.

    Workers peoples parties. Fiercely nationalist in outlook. Anti capitalist.
    Statist.
    One party democracies resulting in dictatorships.

    The only difference, the country's they occured in and the name they gave themselves.
     
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    Don't worry, it seems like she's made a miraculous recovery. Not many are so lucky to survive a nerve agent attack for a few seconds, never mind make a full recovery to rude health weeks afterwards. As I understand it the father had asked pres. Putin if he could return to Russia, so I really don't know why the attack couldn't have waited until he got there - it would have been much easier, and would have prevented what has become a diplomatic incident? If I make myself clear??
     
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    You forget Satan
     
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    Germany is not a fascist state because it doesn’t have a strong dictator. Russia on another hand does.
    I find it amusing that to you fascism and nazism are pretty much the same, when they are actually very different, yet find communism and fascism to be totally different, even though communism is just a few steps away from fascism.
    You can post your crap all you want but it won’t change the fact that today’s Russia is a fascist state. You read the article and you see that Russia falls into the definition. Your denial that earth is round, sky is blue and Russia is a fascist state won’t change anything.
     
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    Glad to hear
    But even then it must be a pretty traumatic experience for her
     
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    Glad to hear
    I bet its stil a traumatic experience for her eitherway.

    The combination of her father asking to return to russia and the huge overreaction from the west does make it very suspicious in my opinion, especially when i know certain uk politicians sayd they have it to.

    To be fair to i suspect russia would be smart enough to use a nerve agent or other chemical that doesnt have ussr all over it if he did do this

    To me this may be a case of uk finding out that he was asking to return to russia and using it to accuse russia of yet another bs incident
    Seems most of the world doesnt give a **** or dont buy it either. Its only the west "supporting" uk in this
     
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    The only ones who won't admit that Russia is a fascist regime are the trolls, apologists, the ill-informed, Assad, the war criminal and, of course, the Russian Fascists themselves!
     
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    @Striped Horse

    Do you feel anything to say about this:

    "... up to 204 hostages died during the siege, including nine foreigners, due to poisoning by the gas. All but two of thehostages who died during the siege were killed by the toxic substance pumped into the theater to subdue the terrorists.The identity of the gas was never disclosed."


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis
     
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    Strong leader is not the same as strong dictator. Do not substitute one with another. And Putin is a strong leader, but not a dictator. I do not see any signs of dictatorship in Russia. I have also read the article and it is not obvious for me that Russia does fall into the definition. By the way, the Earth is not round, and the sky is not blue. On Mars, the sky is for example, yellow.
     
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    Putin was in power since 1999, by the end of this term he will be one of the longest serving Russian leader.
    Mass media is state owned and Putin doesn’t let them air messages that paint him in bad way. Russians get an impression that no one is better then him, when in fact there are other people who should be allowed to participate, but they have no means to do that. This is called usurpation.
    Opponents get murdered, opposing journalists die as well.
    Russia is a democracy compared to Belarus, Kazakhstan, China and North Korea. To others it’s a fascist state.
     
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    Shall I remind you that Angela Merkel is a chancellor since 2005 and since 2000 she is the leader of Christian Democrats, and noone is crying here in Germany that she has usurpated the power?
    Can not you grasp that Putin stays in power maybe because people in Russia want this, but not because he usurpated the power? There is a show on TV on Russia 1 channel with Solov'ev where there are always people who critisize Putin. There are also number of newspapers that are in opposition to Putin (for example, Novaya Gazeta and some others). I am sure, that there are few people that maybe better than Putin, but currently only him has a huge experience and background to handle such a country as Russia. Most probably, if not tense relations with the west, other people could come up.
     
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    And who cause tense relationship with the West?

    You can feed yourself illusions about Russian democracy all you want, it’s not going to change anything.
     
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    Who? If you say Putin, I will ask why? Personally, I do not see the answer to this question. For me, US is more interested in the tense relations to Russia, then vice versa. The explanation is very simple, they want to isolate Russia and make it weaker. They do not need strong Russia as a competitor in the international affairs. When Soviet Union collapsed, the world became a mono-polar and that was good for the US as they did what they wanted to do without asking anyone - for example, bombing Yugoslavia. I can hardly imagine that they could do it during the Soviet Union times. They would be punished for that immediately. Now Russia becomes more strong and the US does its best to isolate it.
     
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    Russia did because it wouldn't bow down to the one world order freaks who think nothing of destroying nations and people at will. Since the controlling factors in Washington are void of any sense of right and wrong, they see personal gain and profit as the only value so that every criminality towards attaining it becomes justifiable.

    Out government deceives and lies continuously to the American people to cover up its actions. They bomb nations without qualms, as well as commit false flag attacks to demonize others, and have a total indifference towards the innocent lives lost. They arm and support terrorists, Nazis and mafias, and couldn't care less if they are committing ethnic cleansing and genocide.

    Bravo Russia for not going along with them. :applause:
     
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    Why do you torture yourself and live in the US?
    Move to Russia - everything is perfect there. Putin needs patriots like you!
     
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