Russian media blames oligarch Abramovich and the likes for "Russias national catastrophe ".

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  1. zoom_copter66

    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

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    It's sad how they bend over backwards to avoid blaming Putin:

    "It is obvious that Vladimir Vladimirovich [Putin] is not omnipotent. If all his decisions over the years were carried out as planned, we would already be living in a completely different Russia. But, sometimes, Putin says one thing, and a different outcome comes out of the labyrinths of power – something similar, but not the same and wrong. This is puzzling."

    Makes him seem like a less flamboyant Kim Jong Un. Whatever goes wrong, it's never his fault. Oh no!
     
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    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

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    Ahhh...yeah....but the buck eventually stops with the Dwarfstan....sooner or later everybody burns...head honcho included.
     
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    What "catastrophe" propaganda you peddling thar maytee :blahblah::blahblah: :alcoholic::alcoholic:

    Russian Security Operation going quite well .. most of the Land along the Black Sea Secured .. one continuous happy Russian Beach property .. up until Odesa .. Kherson being the other side of the river .. makes complete strategic sense .. Sit on other side of river .. through the winter .. a natural border .. perfect place to draw the line yes yes ! Negotiate the other side allowing Ukraine to maintain a corridor onto the Black Sea ..

    Voices in the US arguing for negotiation and diplomacy there are .. now being expressed in the open .. EU the same .. some kind of negotiated settlement in the works .. other side of the Dneiper River to the black sea gonna be Russian land .. up as far as Donesk with now remains the only front line ..

    Winter is here -- things will shut down for 6 months .. for the most part .. perhaps a few winter skirmishes in the Donesk .. Most folks gonna be figuring out how to keep warm .. if the bombs come and take out the power .. Gas .. over the winter .. in retaliation for any Azov Batallion shinannigans .. so not going to be much of much .. and in the meantime .. the drums of negotiation are beating .. Folks want to get this over with .. this war getting in the way of too many other important things .. like the real battle .. which is with China .. and at some point ... russia will make a natural ally against China ... as has always been the case .. for anyone with a lick of the History

    Told you - many months ago .. what commin down .. and why .. now dey lost most of the black Sea .. and this is the new Reality .. ya see .. how its gonna be . dar Zoomie .. and I give you this prophecy for free .. :applause::oldman:
     
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    And the fact Ukraine is already across the Dnieper east of Kherson hasn't occurred to someone of your strategic brilliance? Or the fact that even further east there is no natural physical border preventing Ukraine from attacking Russian forces during winter, a winter they are clearly prepared for via donated western winter combat gear and tents etc while Russian forces are patently not prepared?
     
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    I can see that you understand a thing or two about war strategy. But then, you don't rely completely on the tone & propaganda of the MSM headlines so it's no surprise that you know more than the majority of the readers here.
     
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    The lackeys.
    My wife waited until the last minute to get to the maturity hospital but that doesn't mean she wasn't able to give birth. She knew where everything was and how long was needed to get it all ready. A good war machine knows when to show off its attributes (or even exaggerate them) and when to keep them out of sight and wait for the right moment.
     
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    East or "Northeast .. where does Ukraine have a significant foothold ?
     
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    :roflol::roflol::roflol:

    Yep, the Russia army as pulled off some masterful strategic maneuvers since the war began all right. The rout from Kiev, the retreat from Kharkiv back to Luhansk, the withdrawal from Kherson. The generous donation of hundreds of tanks and millions of rounds of ammunition to Ukraine, the invisible Russian air force and navy. All masterful examples of military genius on Russia's part. All you need do now is give your generals some working compasses (assuming you can find any). That way they might finally stop 'advancing' in the wrong direction.
     
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    The Putinists are desperately trying to blame anyone but Putin; the guy who actually made all the disastrous decisions which have ruined Russia and its economy.
     
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    In Uzhhorod. They're making a dash for Slovakia. It's true. My wife is from that region of SK. In fact, my father-in-law was a border guard there during the Czechoslovakia era.
     
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    Is that what you are telling yourself? Russian can't provide even basic things like boots or sleeping bags yet you some how think theor crippled economy can or will produce winter gear for its entire army in a month? I have beach front property in Nebraska to sell to so eone as gullible as you.

    Russia plans on killing all of their co scripts as "single use soldiers" (the term used by Russian officers) thus why they didn't train any of them nor equip any of them. What a waste of manpower and available resources. Especially for a cou try with dying demographics.

    Winter will freeze them in theor worthless rubber boots without any cold weather gear. You'd think even low I.Q. Russians would know how cold wi ter gets in Russia but the Putinists treat soldiers less than toilet paper.
     
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    Gee, Putinistas blaming everything on Jews. What a complete & total shock. Fortunately none of our resident Putinists would stoop to such behaviour. Nope, none of the mwould single out Jews like Soros and spread anti-semitic tropes like the Tsarist secret service used to. Wouldn't happen.
     
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    The Putinists do go to the antisemitic well every time something goes wrong (which is always with those incompetent bastards). It is almost like RuZZians are fascists who are looking for scapegoats.
     
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    It is a Russian tradition that stretches back centuries. If anything Russia helped to create and model some of the worst aspects of fascism.
     
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    I accept your opinion but you are naïve. Russia has a combination of superior attributes that no other has: Strategy - Technology - Psychology - Make-do determination - Endurance - and a population that considers pain & hardship a personal challenge. Russians fight till the bell rings and they ain't the ones willing to ring it. Think of them as suicide bombers without a bomb. You may believe it only applies to WW II and now it's all in the past but that's not true. They still have it and when push comes to shove they rise to the challenge - every time. The only other people I know of who come close to that sort of personal determination are the Finns but they don't have the same level of strategy, technology, or psychology. Don't close your eyes or you'll miss the various decisive battles ... and when the smoke clears the Russians will still be standing and moving forward.
     
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    Even if that is so, we are here, not discussing a "good war machine," but RUSSIA.

    At best, they are a good vodka machine.
     
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    Oh for Gods sake look at a map of Ukraine with the confrontation line interposed. Given the current dispositions of both sides the Dnieper River literally doesn't pose a barrier to Ukrainian forces (or for that matter Russian ones) anywhere except in the Kherson region. The Dnieper is not some sort of magic fortress that mysteriously protects Russian forces from attack everywhere. Does it create a formidable barrier in the Kherson region? Yes. Anywhere else? No.
     
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    Didn't say it did posed a barrier to the north ... but in the Kherson region it does .. which is a big deal .. moving to the front line to the north as stated. So stop running around crying "it doesn't protect them everywhere" cause you don't understand what you read and make things up believing that to be true. .. bug a boo :)
     
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    Who is making a dash for Slovakia mate ?
     
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    If the stolen land in this war was secure, Russia wouldn't be losing ground every single day for months now.
     
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    The Ukrainians. The ones the MSM is claiming have a "significant foothold" inside Ukraine simply because there is a large clump of them in one spot. But the media seem not to understand the difference between an advance - a hold - and a rout.
     
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    Time to DeNazify the Russians?
     
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    We all been waiting 8 months now and Russia keeps on losing battles.
     
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    I think the Ukrainians do have a pretty significant foothold within Ukraine. I mean, it's in the name, really.
     

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