Ryan Candidacy May Doom House GOP

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    Ryan Candidacy May Doom House GOP

    By Mark Blumenthal & Adam Carlson | HuffPost | 08/17/2012 11:48 am

    WASHINGTON – quote: “The Medicare proposals advocated by presumptive Republican vice-presidential candidate Paul Ryan are at the heart of the Democratic campaign to take back control of the House of Representatives. Republicans currently hold a 49-seat majority in the House; 242 seats are held by Republicans and 193 by Democrats. In order to regain a majority and put Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) back in the Speaker's chair, Democrats would need to pick up 25 seats.”

    43 of 45 incumbent Republicans who voted for the infamous Ryan Budget are now vulnerable and all 45 voted for it in 2011. Also republicans said they were getting questions at home on Medicare and looking for assurance of a way out of their political jam they are in.

    Democrats have launched TV ads and robocalls concerning republicans that supported the Ryan Budgets. Two Democratic House candidates, Kathy Hochul of NY and Ron Barber of Az. have already scored victories in special elections by tying their opponents to the infamous Ryan Budget.

    quote: “Democratic candidates across the country have been quick to tie their opponents to the Ryan budget, which would overhaul Medicare and make deep cuts to other government spending. They see the issue as politically toxic for the Republican Party, especially in competitive races in states with high populations of senior citizens, such as Arizona, Florida and Pennsylvania.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/17/us-house-elections-2012_n_1791650.html
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    Why wouldn’t republicans have known that the Ryan Budget and Ryan’s VP slot is bound to change the whole complexion of the 2012election outcome? Another Romney mistake....
     
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    exotix New Member Past Donor

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    When I first heard that Ryan was the VP pick ... this was my first thought ... Romney is doomed ...

    I don't think we'll ever know if Obama actually forced Ryan on Romney ... like we don't know if Romney was hardly gonna pic anybody from that disastrous thing called the 2012 GOP/Tea Party Prez primaries ...

    We do know that the the time has come to cleanse Congress of high-treason right-wingers ...
     
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    Both Romney and Ryan represent a serious problem for Republicans in November because of Social Security and Medicare. They've taken the position of "we'll only cut benefits for those younger than 55 on Medicare and Social Security" but that's still cutting benefits and many Americans are going to reject that. As noted all of the Republican House members voted for Ryan's plan either this year or last to cut future benefits, albeit just for those under 55, and that won't sit will with supporters of those programs.
     
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    Ryan Candidacy May Doom House GOP

    I certainly hope so. With all the election year televised ads, people tend to forget the Republican platform and the Republican record. Ryan is a living reminder of it.
     
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    I just love the word "may".

    The possibilities are endless- and in the case of desperate liberals, funny as hell!
     
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    Um, yeah. what else are they going to say about an election that's in 3 months time? Fact is, those guys who are actually out there fighting for their seats, rather than a heroic soldier in the 101st Keyboard Commandos are worried. And if I was them I would be too.

    Oh and RASMUSSEN has Obama ahead of Romney. That would be scaring the pants off me if I was a Republican, considering that Ras generally has a +4 GOP lean.
     
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    To be fair, Ryan hasnt said much on contraception. He did vote against funding access to the morning after pill, and he said this Health And Human Services Mandate Of The Affordable Care Act

    http://meetpaulryan.com/

    Which is pretty noncommittal. I'm pretty Pro-life myself, but there's a lot more reasons to Oppose Ryan than this one issue.
     
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    Rasmussen has Obama ahead of Romney? Wow... I'm betting that the Republican strategists are panicking behind closed doors...
     
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    That sounds like more half-witted idiocy of the sort that just a few short years ago the liberals were repeatedly parroting about 40 years of democrat domination and that the Republican party had become irrelevant.

    I suppose the liberal scumbags have to continually think up this sort farcical tripe to feed to the most dim-witted of the liberal base to try to keep them fired up in the face of realities like the 2010 election.
     
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    ......

    ...then why aren't you laughing...:smile:
     
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    The body needs rest, and the constant barrage of huffpo tripe comes too fast for proper recovery...
     
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    That's not true. The program is going broke and BOTH Ryan's and Obama's plans cut Medicare. Obama's starting in 2014 so his plan WILL effect current seniors; Ryan's doesn't cut until 2022 and does not effect current seniors....or those 55 and up. Also, we're talking about cutting the "rate of growth" in both cases. So NOT true cuts; cuts in the projected rate of growth. Ryan's plan actually saves Medicare for the younger folks by providing them a choice of keeping Medicare or getting the premium voucher to purchase their own from private insurers who have agreed to treat Medicare patients.

    The main difference are found in the principles of economic freedom. Ryan's plan leaves ultimate responsibility for containing costs to individuals and families....as they spend more within their means than government does. Obama's plan empowers a NEW Independent Payment Advisory Board to identify what they consider unnecessary and excessive spending. The federal gov't will still be the "gatekeeper" for your healthcare as a senior under Obama's plan. Also Ryan's plan explicitly gives older and sicker beneficiaries a larger premium support payment. And wealthier beneficiaries receive a smaller one. Obama's plan....the federal gov't plan.....remains a "one size fits all" type program.

    I know; I am a senior already on Medicare and have extensively researched this. Under Obama's plan, starting in 2014, my benefits will change as money is cut from the rate of growth at a time when even more people will be pouring into the system. Ryan's plan specifically leaves current seniors and those 55 and older alone. The reasoning being it's too late in the game for us to make any changes in planning that someone much younger has. Ryan's plan is therefore better thought out and fairer.
     
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    When you are running trillion dollar deficits something has to go. No matter what is cut someone is not going to be happy. Its time that BOTH parties focus on balancing the budget and not worrying about votes. In other words. Do their (*)(*)(*)(*)ing jobs.
     
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    The trend is your friend.

    If you're Romney, that is.
     
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    Rasmusseun currently has 45% favoring Romney on the economy; while 40% favor Obama on the economy. In Wisconsin and Florida, Romney is up and in Ohio, they are tied. 45% of those polled trust Republicans more; 40% trust Democrats more. Also the president's disapproval rating is way up compared to his approval rating. In Florida, those polled favor Romney's plan for Medicare over Obama's.

    Your number may be correct nationally---but that is not what is going to win this election. People will vote on the issues of jobs and the economy. And it's the swing states that will decide....unfortunate; but true. Typically those who are still undecided will go for the challenger in such bad economic times. Independents who are undecided, typically swing to the challenger at last minute as well.
     
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    Yep. You gotta look at the trend; not one day here and there. And the trend is not good for Obama. That's why I'm expecting some kind of desperate October surprise.
     
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    COntraception is a NON-ISSUE. Trying to FORCE taxpayers to pay for it IS. And a definite WINNER for the GOP....
     
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    Last week:


    Romney 47%
    Obama 43%

    This week:

    Obama 46%
    Romney 45%

    And that's from Rasmussen's Republican-friendly Polling Service.

    Looks like Ryan is more of a "bump in the road" for Romney than a "bump" in votes.
     
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    The possibilities are particularly "endless" because the Romney campaign is refusing to give details of how they are going to work their economic "miracles".

    The public has no choice but to look at what their plans imply, and the resulting shafting of Seniors and sub-1% tax rates for millionaires and billionaires is not the stuff to make them winners int November.

    Romney can't even tell us his tax return for 2011 when most voters did their tax returns MONTHS ago! Is that a pathetic Right Wing FAIL or what? :lol:
     

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