SA has voted!

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  1. m2catter

    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    Boy oh boy,
    after 16 years and a lot of progress (renewables eg.) we now have a conservative party, promising to row backwards (again renewables) and to favor coal as base energy and not to strengthen or further expanding renewable energy.

    http://theconversation.com/liberals...-while-labor-stuns-the-greens-in-batman-93355

    https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-election-plus-batman-byelection-results-live

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/sa-election-2018/

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...r/news-story/f93ef25bae88860b198ed72b276959f6

    How do you see the future of SA?
    Reg.
     
  2. Sallyally

    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    They will bring back car making and all the associated components. The workers won't want pay rises and Australians will buy "Australian made" again.
     
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    Slap slap .. wake up you're dreaming again
     
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    The SA Libs have been the worst run state division in Australia for years. Marshall seems more competent than the average, but its not beyond the realms that they screw things up in quick time. If the ALP stays in good shape it is not impossible they are back in 4 years. One term state governments happen. Short of that SA is going to be dealing with an unfriendly Federal government soon enough & no Chrissie Pyne to bring home the goodies.

    Xenophon screwed the pooch big time. Turns out people expect actual coherent policy platforms from parties aiming for balance of power. Whodathunkit. He will need to get his **** together before the next Federal poll if he wants to stay in the game.
     
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    I enjoyed that lol. slap slap
     
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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I’m just glad Bernardi and his AC party were dismal. It’s been a long time between drinks for the liberals and if they haven’t learnt their lesson on past policy they will obviously struggle to gain a 2nd term! Surely they can’t be that stupid though. The next 6 months should be an indicator of whether they’ll be a chance. Just hope they don’t walk that conservative line!
     
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    The thing about South Australia, politically speaking at least, is that we're almost inherently centrist and moderate. I doubt if a Katter, Hanson, Lib Democrat or other reactionary or leftist nutter would get a guernsey here. Bernardi will eventually fall out of the Senate as well. Marshall is not a bogey man and he and his team have benefited from the "It's Time" (thank you Gough) element. I do think they'll be out next election in Sa but in the meantime I just hope they don't do too much damage to what has been achieved. I hope for pragmatism and not ideology and the government would do well to realise that in little old SA we value pragmatism. I was sad to see Jay go, he was an excellent Premier. But he's a fine MP and the good burghers of Cheltenham will find him a boon.
     
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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are calls for Bernardi to deregister his party purely based on lack of support. It was a huge flop in SA, but if SA is so centrist as you’ve indicated, why on earth did this clown consider running in the SA election? Maybe he will get a different response in other states? I suppose his parties philosophies are based in religion and there are many conservatives of different styles who just don’t subscribe to these ideals. Doubt he’d be successful in QLD!
     
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    I think it was ego with Bernardi. I don't know when he's due to face an election, being a senator, but I think he's a goner at the next one. An embarrassing stain on SA will be removed but don't worry, we'll come up with another one.
     
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    I see the future as far as energy is concerned as bleak under either government. For the Liberals, coal is a terrible hill to die on.

    The only rational solution is modern, clean nuclear with proper storage of the minuscule waste per mWh, in combination with individual use of solar PV in homes, fully owned by the homeowner.

    We have huge uranium reserves, the third best university system in the world and plenty of places that are 50km from the nearest building in most states. Nuclear technology ain't what it used to be. The damage caused by reactionary govern policy fuelled by public paranoia killed more people at Fukushima than the actual effects of the radiation, and there aren't any tsunamis in Alice Springs.

    But alas the prospect of clean energy with huge, regular energy output is unrealistic in large part because of vicious, pervasive propaganda on the issue by anti-science activists. So, like other nations such as Germany, we are doomed to continue our production of CO2 instead of embracing the superior technology which regrettably reminds people of hiding under their desks at school.

    It's time to move past the bullshit to an Australia with a free market sporting electric vehicles, and a power grid first filled by nuclear which backs up individual level solar. No emissions, masses of cheap energy once set up, individual production of electricity, it ticks all the boxes.

    In the mean time the environment is ****ed, coal remains supreme, and we are through emissions testing and future bans on IC engines going to rob people of beautiful cars only to push them onto coal.

    Disgrace.
     
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  11. m2catter

    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    To me coal and nuc energy are on the same level, done and over with. The world has moved on.
    If we would spend the money the coal industries receive on further enhancing renewables, we wouldn't waste any more time.
    By the way, as we speak, radiation is still poising the ocean around Fukushima.
    Reg.
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'd appreciate it if you quoted me when you respond, so I can do so in kind.

    Anyway, nuclear fusion is clearly the medium term future. Once we hit that this is all a moot point and we have effectively unlimited cheap energy for all time. What we're discussing is what happens between now and then.

    The fact is, nuclear is not at all an obsolete technology, it has made massive strides in the past decade. It is the pragmatic choice.

    The issue is subject to an incredible amount of anti-science propaganda. The drawbacks are miniscule relative to the perception in society. We have an irrational fear of radiation, which is all around us constantly. If you catch a Taxi to the airport, fly to Fukushima, and walk around before flying back, you will have ingested vastly more radiation on the flights there and back than you would have on the ground. Radiation is everywhere, it is in cities, it is in the upper atmosphere you are bombarded with it constantly.

    The Japanese government killed vastly more Japanese through their paranoid response to the crisis than the radiation did. You may have seen the following image of radiation in the sea of Japan and the Pacific:

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    Notice that the scale is in centimetres, indicating wave height, not rads. Where other propaganda shows rads, it is typically completely made up, and usually of a clearly lethal dose. I strongly encourage you to investigate the issue deeply, as propaganda and fake news has been proliferated by somewhat well intentioned renewable energy absolutists.

    So what we need is an evidence based rather than feelings based evaluation of the merits of nuclear power, which is orders of magnitude safer than fossil fuels (especially in a country as remote as ours), and, like solar, produces toxic waste which needs to be stored.

    Renewable energy is a silly term. Nothing is renewable. One day the sun will run out of nuclear fuel just as one day our nuclear reactor will run out of fuel, the goal is to have a source of power which is practically endless. Both solar and nuclear fit that bill equally well.

    I feel that this should become Liberal party policy. The Greens and ALP have to pander to their masters in the green energy sector just as much as the LNP has to with their masters in the fossil fuels sector.

    I want a third way.
     
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    Enter two new Elements soon to be discovered in 2074, called Carankulum 274 and Carunkulum 472, Both are stable mineral metal hybrids with Crystalline structures, the first a fuel that produces energy at a fantastic controllable rate, a few grams enough to power a huge vessel.

    The other a fantastically strong material exponentially lighter and stronger than any material known before it, making hardened steel seem as soft as playdough, easy to manage and mold, once easily hardened, it is indestructible.

    Both materials completely change Space travel...
     

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