Scared jews leaving europe

David Frum
White House speechwriter behind the "Axis of Evil" label. He lumped together all the lies and accusations against Iraq for Bush to justify the war.

Joshua Bolten
White House Deputy Chief of Staff, Bolten was previously a banker, former legislative aide, and prominent in the Jewish community.

John Bolton
Former UN Representative and Under-Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security. Bolton is also a Senior Advisor to President Bush. Prior to this position, Bolton was Senior Vice President of the above mentioned pro-Israel thinktank, AEI. He recently (October 2002) accused Syria of having a nuclear program, so that they can attack Syria after Iraq. He must have forgotten that Israel has 400 nuclear warheads, some of which are thermonuclear weapons (according to a recent U.S. Air Force report).

David Wurmser
Special Assistant to John Bolton (above), the under-secretary for arms control and international security. Wurmser also worked at the AEI with Perle and Bolton. His wife, Meyrav Wurmser, along with Colonel Yigal Carmon, formerly of Israeli military intelligence, co-founded the Middle East Media Research Institute (Memri),a Washington-based Israeli outfit which distributes articles translated from Arabic newspapers portraying Arabs in a bad light.

Eliot Cohen
Member of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor. Like Adelman, he often expresses extremist and often ridiculus anti-Arab and anti-Muslim views. More recently, he wrote an opinion article in the Wall Street Journal openly admitting his rascist hatred of Islam claiming that Islam should be the enemy, not terrorism.

Mel Sembler
President of the Export-Import Bank of the United States. A Prominent Jewish Republican and Former National Finance Chairman of the Republican National Committee. The Export-Import Bank facilitates trade relationships between U.S. businesses and foreign countries, specifically those with financial problems.

Steve Goldsmith
Senior Advisor to the President, and Bush's Jewish domestic policy advisor. He also served as liaison in the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (White House OFBCI) within the Executive Office of the President. He was the former mayor of Indianapolis. He is also friends with Israeli Jerusalem Mayor Ehud Olmert and often visits Israel to coach mayors on privatization initiatives.

Adam Goldman
White House's Special Liaison to the Jewish Community.

Joseph Gildenhorn
Bush Campaign's Special Liaison to the Jewish Community. He was the DC finance chairman for the Bush campaign, as well as campaign coordinator, and former ambassador to Switzerland.

Christopher Gersten
Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families at HHS. Gersten was the former Executive Director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, Husband of Labor Secretary.

Mark Weinberger
Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs.

Samuel Bodman
Deputy Secretary of Commerce. He was the Chairman and CEO of Cabot Corporation in Boston, Massachusetts.

Bonnie Cohen
Under Secretary of State for Management.

Ruth Davis
Director of Foreign Service Institute, who reports to the Office of Under Secretary for Management. This Office is responsible for training all Department of State staff (including ambassadors).

Daniel Kurtzer
Ambassador to Israel.

Cliff Sobel
Ambassador to the Netherlands.

Stuart Bernstein
Ambassador to Denmark.

Nancy Brinker
Ambassador to Hungary

Frank Lavin
Ambassador to Singapore.

Ron Weiser
Ambassador to Slovakia.

Mel Sembler
Ambassador to Italy.

Martin Silverstein
Ambassador to Uruguay.

Lincoln Bloomfield
Assistant Secretary of State for Political Military Affairs.

Jay Lefkowitz
Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of the Domestic Policy Council.

Ken Melman
White House Political Director.

Brad Blakeman
White House Director of Scheduling.

I don't know about you, but dual citizenship is fine with me for an ordinary citizen. But if you hold an official position that demands that you put American interests above all else -- if you should look transparent and fair to the rest of the world regarding your formation of Middle East foreign policies, then this is a dangerous trend. Even if there were no pro-Israeli agenda, the fact that decision makers have a bias or an allegiance to one of the parties involved in the current conflict should have raised red flags long before now.


http://www.viewzone.com/dualcitizen.html

 

Woody killed a lot of them in Manhatten, didn't you know that?

 

try not to project. It seem you are more than willing to beleive everything that A Faurisson or a weber publish, even if it is unsubstnatiated garbage.
You do know how legitimate acadmeic research is conducted dont you? You do know what peer review is don't you?

considering the kinds of sources you seem to accept when jack posts denier nonsense all day long, I'd say it is you that is lacking in critical thinking skills by accepting the most outrageous perversion of facts that deniers and revisionist seem to revel in.

HAHAHAHAAH! Unlike you, I have done extensive research into holocaust denial. I have cross referenced their supposed "evidence", I have examined forensic reports, I have read volumes of both victim and perpetrator testimony. It is apparent that my critical thinking skills are vastly superior to those who actually think holocaust revisionism has any validity or merit.

Of course there are different spins. I realize that students in Iran fer instance are taught it never happened. But we both know it did.

What I find amusing is that you think that minor inconsistencies and differences in the narrative some how provide legitimacy to the disgusting ridiculaous scholarship of deniers.

Seems you you really like to fool yourself. have you viewed any of those idiotic HOLOCAUST DENIAL videos that your pal Jack has posted? Or do you just puppet agreement on the garbage he posts?

Seriously?

:-} gotta agree on that one.

I disagree revisionism is healthy or essential.
What is healthy is questioning the status quo thru rigorous research and analysis, you know academically challenging accepted knowledge.

Holocaust Denial and its revisionism movement is not academically based. It is bigotry based. It is along the same lines as the Protocols. A pathetic attempt to absolve the nazis and demonize their victims.

thats the big deal.

Guess you aren't up on the various historians that have had access to Russian archives and interviews with russian liberators and prisoners. I also suppose that you are not aware of the russian jewish anti fascist league and the marching orders they got from Stalin - that is before he had them all killed in 53.

Funny, I havent seen any definitive evidence from you. Seems to me that if you want to challenge the accepted narrative in any meaningful way, you had better present the evidence .

My definitive evidence can be found in hundreds of books based on thousands of eye witness accounts (both prisoner and nazi), extensive and detailed forensics, and mountains of documents. '

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I have found that the proponents of denial are scumbags of the first order. That is my direct experience in dealing with all kinds of them over the years. I have yet to see ANY referenced evidence by deniers that does not lack scholarship or demonstrates incredibly sloppy scholarship that would fail any secondary school class. And yes, assinine bigotry - rothschilds rule the world, zoinists control the us, there were no gas chambers, conditions in the camps were okay considering it was war, etc. etc etc. Can't think of another word that describes such positions other than assinine.

Light travels at 300,000 kilometers per second.
Bullshyte befuddles bigot's brains so much they make fools of themselves on a regular basis.

 

Jack your list from Dan Edens article from Viewzone's conspiracy theory section, appears to be him simply listing all the jewish sounding names in washington and declaring them dual citizens when he can offer absolutely no proof. for instance David Frum is a CANADIAN and son of a reknonwed radio journalist.

Of course, there is absolutely no evidence of "thousands of dual citizens" claiming their first allegiance to the Israel. Not a shred. '

You really have to come up with something a bit better than this, except this is about the best you can do. conspiracy theory nonsense with outrageous unsubstantiated claims taken by you ane yours as definitive proof.

Oh and by the by

WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH SCARED JEWS IN EUROPE????!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can you even remember more than two posts ago? Once again exposing yourself as a disenguous hypocrite. That is not an insult, it is an observation backed up by the hard evidence you so graciously have provide for all of us to evaluate.
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Of course he then starts posting unverified claims of so-called dual citizenship which also have nada to do with the topic he keeps insisting others stick to.

Have the brits managed to avoid zionist control then? I thought they were everywhere, pulling the strings?

More on topic from Jack. Hahahaha

I think that the posts of some Europeans on this forum would indicate that anti-semitism has nothing to do with zionism. This is evident from the regular references to joos and not to zionists. How do you manage to ignore all of that (pages and pages of gholocaust revisionism and anti-semitic canards as per Goebbels) and come up with your gem of a conclusion?

 

I have no idea how you come to these conclusions based on the evidence in this thread, which you claim so obviously leads to that very conclusion. First of all you do not know who is a jooo here, so how you come to conclusions about how joos react comparative to non-joos boggles the mind. Or in your witch hunt is anyone you feel is a joo, a joo, and this is adequate for your intents and purposes?

There are no joos calling for murder here. No joos calling for heads to bashed in. Where do you get this stuff Jack?

And if you are intent on being the better person, you are failing miserably by making bigotted comments on whole ethnicities based apparently on the posts of one or two souls who you claim to be jooish 8and do not even know to be so). Is that science or hatred? Cn you see how that makes you the type of person you call a joo?

I read the link and noted that the following anti-semitic canards were researched namely:
Joos are loyal to Israel (which we are reading on this very thread by Jack),
joos have to much power in the business world,
joos have too much power in the international financial markets,
joos talk too much about the holocaust,
joos were responsible for the death of Jesus

The research proves that anti-semites are poor, young and uneducated. From your source:

"Moreover, the data indicate that age, education and income level are key factors in determining the likelihood of a respondent believing in the traditional anti-Semitic stereotypes tested. For the most part, those over the age of 65, those who did not continue their education beyond the age of 17 and those earning less than €11,000 per year are more likely than the rest of the population to agree with at least three of the four anti-Semitic characterizations presented in the survey.

LOL, old nazis die hard!

You should also take cognisance of the fact that part 7 of the survey indicates that only the respondents of three countries out of a total of 9 countries believe that violence against jews results from actions of Israel. The far majority those countries surveyed believe that it is due to anti-jewish feelings and not Israel. No wonder you referred us only to 6 (a) and (b).
You failed to grasp the results of the survey.

 

Why must you use the terms in that immature way, Liebe?

It's Jews.

That is what they call themselves - not Joos.

As to your 'question', you clearly have selective reading.

On this very thread, we had one person advocating what would be attempted murder or even murder, of anyone they deemed a 'fascist'.

And, on another thread, just the other week, we had a Jew using this forum as a platform to call for the arbitary murder of non Jews, across the World, if they should dare say anything that a Jew does not like.

Forum rules stop me from naming that person, but the thread was there, notwithstanding.

Jack

 

They are not minor at all.

But do go on.

Jack

 

What do I as a Jew have to do with someone that says facists should die? what does a Jew that (no way that happened, that an obvous lie but ill play along) "said" all non Jews should die got to do with me as a Jew?

Why address them as Jews when its obvious that being a jew have nothing to do with their words since there are so many jews that think diffrenetly, if it doesnt capture them as a group for a specific point why use it?

because you are an Anti-Semite, because you cant tell the difference between what a man says or does and his ethnic gruop, to you all Jews have the same collctive thinking - and that's sick....

You could have said "some Israelis", settlers, right wingers, a specific party members - like civilized ppl use when they have a conversation, these are relevant groups of ppl with same political view but Jews naturally don't have the same political view as you very well know, why use it then? to call them jews in such relevance would be like calling them Caucasians or just humans - nothing to do with their views.

 

What is with this new position today that when called out on anti-semitic statements, you mumble: "this is what they call themselves"? Again I will ask you: if a black murderer calls himself black (which to my knowledge "they" are not even doing in the examples you cite), does that mean that you should make statements about blacks murdering generally? Wouldnt that make you a racist?

I spell the term as joo when the original post requires same. Tin foil material deserves ridicule and that is what it gets from me. I can't help wondering why you are upset by it. Gilos has never complained.

You can most certainly post quotes from other members here. That is not against the rules. So do so. Back up your claims that the jews on this forum like Gilos are arrogant - more so than anyone else and that they call for heads to be bashed in. A link to such post is no problem.

After you have done that, you can tell me how two postings on an internet forum over a number of weeks, permits you to make conclusions about millions of people whom you do not know.

 

It did happen.

I could even name the member, but forum rules do not permit me to do so.

However, he can be identified by a pic of Che Guevara(?), with a crosshair through it.

Various people commented on the thread, Gilos.

He was specifically inviting Mossad, but not exclusively, to kill anyone that speaks out.

Never have I created a thread of that type, never have I advocated for the murder of Jews, no matter what views they may hold.

 

So be it then.

No use my trying to have a dialogue with you, in that case.

 

HAHAHA

So based on the way I spelled jew, you no longer feel that a dialogue is of any use with me! Sure thing.....

Is that why you have yet to answer why you generalise about jews based on the two single posts by perceived joos on an anonymous forum over the last few weeks?

Why are you unable to answer this direct question, which Gilos also put to you?

 

His latest pathetic justification is that "they call themselves jews".

As if he (a) heard "them" say anything, whoever the "them" is supposed to be (anyone he considers a jew, it would seem) and/or (b) would be willing to make the same general racist conclusions about any other race, ethnicity or religion where one person is from that group.

Bigotry, plain and simple.

 

When you learn to speak to me with manners I will address your 'questions'.

 

The rules permit you to link posts. Do it.

And explain why you feel it just to generalise two single posts to an entire ethnic group.

 

ha ha ha ha ha

No answer. As I expected.

First the rules permitted no answer and then my spelling of joos was the issue, but now my manners are the deal breaker.

Trying to weasle his way out of it. Fail.

 

Okay, so in your rationale, Jews are not now Jews, right?

Listen, Liebe, I began here believing that not all Jews were Zionists.

Yes I did, that is truly what I believed, that not all Jews were Zionists.

And that is true - not all Jews are Zionist Jews.

But according to the many Zionists on here, those Jews are merely a minority, and, therefore, they have convinced me that to be a Jew is to be a Zionist.

Their own propaganda has worked against them.

Jack

 

When you learn to speak to me with manners I will address your 'questions'.

 

Nice.......you addressed just the side note of my post....,

For the record I assumed he did, what's it got to do with Jews?

 

You assumed who did what, Gilos?

 

I assumed he did say those things about killing non jews for the sake of argument that it has nothing to do with what other Jews think - thus to say thats what jews think is dum, as you should know.

 

In 384 you said it was an obvious lie.

I am telling you it is not a lie.

And now your are agreeing that it is not a lie, yes or no?

Anyway, the point is clear - when Jews begin to make those sorts of threats, people take them seriously. And why should we not?

Am I just meant to accept these threats? Am I meant to wait until they carry out their threats?

Or it is reasonable, given that your state does this, to take those threats seriously, and prepare to defend my life against them?

This would include, btw, the kind of threat that your Israeli mate, in the OP, made against me, a while back.

That kind of person may be used to their threats and bullying intimidating people, where you are.

We are not defenceless you know.

 

I said "for argument sake", I didnt trust your interptation of it, as Leibe said supply the link, if true ill agree, but it not relevant to my point that you continue to dodge, what does it have to do with the Jewish nation? you know not all Jews think like that,

why say "when Jews begin to make those sorts of threats" ? instead of Israeli right wingers for example? why not address their politic views instead of their ethnic ?

 

A lot of general references to propaganda.

Let''s be specific: if a black man or any number of black men commit murder, can you correctly say blacks are murderers, propaganda aside? Ditto muslims: if one muslim kills, can you say muslims are murders, propaganda aside?

And for clarity's sake, have you now decided that every jew is a zionist and that your issue is with jews per se?