Schapelle Corby

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  1. efjay

    efjay Well-Known Member

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    The crime was committed in INDO and must be judged under INDO law. Under that law her laughable defence fell over and she was convicted after a fair trial. For people ( or sock puppet accounts) to come on and start throwing about such drivel as "i'd bomb em" is doing neither her OR her cause any good. It just shows corby supporters as mindless moronic fools.
     
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    axialturban Well-Known Member

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    I think you'll find the concept of a fair trial is what has been repeatidly argued against without you providing any other counter except 'she was found guilty' or 'she did it'. Repeating nothing over and over doesnt stop it being nothing.
     
  3. efjay

    efjay Well-Known Member

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    She had a fair trial under INDO LAW. YOU lot are trying to compare it to aussie law...
     
  4. jeeps

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    I'm not sure how much I can do from my perch here in the U.S. That being said, in the U.S., we have this little thing called "Freedom of Speech." It's my opinion. It's what I would do if my brother were in jail, somewhat of a last resort. Thanks for the insult though, brought a smile to my face. Mindless moronic fools--haha.
     
  5. efjay

    efjay Well-Known Member

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    So if your brother was in jail you would break the law rather than have him face justice...
     
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    If my brother were serving 20 years as a scapegoat in Indonesia, I'd do everything humanly possible to get him out; otherwise he wouldn't be able to call me his brother.
    And yes, that would include any and all steps necessary--even if they broke Indonesian law. I would die trying to get my brother out of that inhumane hell hole they call Kerobokan. To be imprisoned in those conditions is a plain and clear obstruction of one's natural rights as a human being (don't really want to get into capital punishment here :date:)--alleged drug smugglers and murderers included. It's 2011 for goodness sake, let's get civilized here people.
    :twocents:

    Edit: I know it seems irrational, marrying incivility with incivility (in the sense of going so far as to bomb for an escape), so perhaps you may [somewhat fairly] label me as "extreme."
     
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    The problem with that is corby isnt a scapegoat, she is however a convicted drug smuggler. It was her choice to do what she did and now must face up to it.
     
  8. jeeps

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    And here we are back at the same crossroads. You're entitled to your opinion, and I can respect that.

    However, my personal opinion is at odds with your assessment of what happened to SC. From everything I've read, seen, and heard, I don't feel she had a fair shake. I would also tend to believe that reports such as those listed at expendable.tv would overwhelmingly convince any critical thinker that there was plenty of reasonable doubt--the idea here being skepticism. From the poor evidence collection, to the CCTV scandal, to the hasty destruction of evidence without keeping a relatively small sample, to not testing the weed, SC was screwed out of her fair shake at Indonesian justice. But perhaps that's how it is in Indonesia--I will never personally experience it for myself, nor any of my family, I can tell you that.
     
  9. efjay

    efjay Well-Known Member

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    When you judge the case by western standards you could be right. But by the standards of the country where the crime was committed she got a fair go.


    The object of that site is to push a theory that when held up to the standards of PROOF falls over fairly fast. That site is more about emotive blackmail that real world PROVABLE evidence.


    As i have said the way things done over there is different to how we in the western world do it. Personally i think the way they do it is better.
    I have been there many times and loved it, the people and culture are awesome, i encourage all to go and visit there as long as you dont try to stuff a few kilos of drugs in your bag you will have a great time.
    At the end of the day we all have our opinion on this case, some people just have a slightly screwy one thats all...
     
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    I still disagree, I'm sure we can agree to disagree.

    From all of the documents cited, it seems pretty credible to me, so I'll tend to disagree on that one.

    Fair enough. However, the circumstances under which SC allegedly smuggled 4.2 kilos of pot are just unbelievable for me. On a family trip, stashed right in the front of the big obvious over-sized boogie board bag (how inconspicuous--not even behind the board inside the bag, but right on top?!), opening it right up for the customs official (who rubs me the wrong way as it is). These circumstances just do not add up for me as far as someone who is realistically attempting to smuggle a whopping 4.2 kilos into a country where it will sell for less, and brings about death by firing squad.

    My argument rests within the manifestation of intent.

    in·tent/inˈtent/
    Noun:
    Intention or purpose.

    Who would purposely sentence oneself to death by firing squad [edit: in those circumstances]?

    It doesn't make sense, it's ridiculous, and it for me it simply wasn't hers. twocents:
     
  11. Ziggy Stardust

    Ziggy Stardust Well-Known Member

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    Never under estimate stupidity.

    It does not surprise me that someone would do something as utterly stupid as what she was convicted of.

    To me, I see absolutely no reason why the Indonesian's, or anyone else, would have stitched her up. The sentence is harsh, but I do not think she is innocent.

    It's easy to stand in the cheap seats and bang on about how inhumane conditions are in Indonesia. Fact is they are a sovereign nation with their own laws and any moral superiority one might feel is entirely subjective.

    There are worse places in the world than Indonesia.

    I wonder if Corby would have gotten quite so much attention if she was about 30 kg heavier and ugly. Yes, I'm a cynic.
     
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    It's a possibility.

    I side with the "owner forgot to grab from unknowing courier's bag" theory.

    Sure is. However many opinions are subjective, which is what I'm trying to convey here: JMHO.

    I'll take your word.

    She probably wouldn't have had as much media attention, which probably would have helped her chances. I'd wager there'd be fewer Indonesians standing outside with the "Execute Her" signs. Then again, their prosecutors don't look lightly upon drug cases anyway. *sigh*
     
  13. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    And the guy stabbed his girlfriend could have worn gloves when he handled the knife - your point? Your ALWAYS do a fingerprint test to back up your case. If your home is broken into, the cops don't say that the robber likely wore gloves and therefore they won't come out, they'll turn up, dust for prints, won't they?

    I'd do the same, but I feel that violence isn't the answer. Just wait for another tsunumi to take care of them.
     
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    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    She is an Australian. She is one of my own. I defend my own people when they are caught up in unjust situations, and I expect every other Australian to do the same.
     
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    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    I merged both threads together.
     
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    Absolutley incorrect (again) depends entirely on what crime and what the circumstances are. In this case there was no need to prove Corby was in posession of the drugs as she was arrested in possession.

    I wonder what type of person would wish the type of death and destruction on millions of people and the poor excuse that you give for wishing so, this speaks of your personal character unfortunately, and does not make you a very good reference for Corby.
     
  17. jeeps

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    The circumstances in this case are extremely fishy, which is probably the reason most call for SC's release from this injustice.


    Not quite sure if the appeals court is currently taking references for SC, maybe you can fill me in [lol]...Not sure if he wants millions dead (correct me if I'm wrong), he just speaks of the implications of KARMA. You'll never improve your society by executing drug dealers--there will always be a demand. And where there's a demand...well I think you're intelligent enough to get the rest.
     
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    State your legal qualifications and your understanding of the legal aspects of the case.


    Your support is misplaced, Makkedes implication was obvious, she has stated it more than a few times.
    Somebody should tell Singapore that, their zero tolerance policy is a roaring success.
     
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    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    They couldn't prove smuggling unless they tested the bag.
     
  20. efjay

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    They proved it when the drugs came out off HER BAG.
     
  21. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    And as I have said, just because that CD was found in your bag doesn't mean you stole it.
     

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