Science vs. Democracy, by Neil DeGrasse Tyson

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  1. Kode

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    Basically the same (albeit a bit more cynical) analysis from Christopher Langan:
    Start at 3:45
     
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    Betsy DeVoss.
     
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    Most of this world understand what he is saying. Unfortunately the ones that do not have a lot of money, loud voices, political strength and no incentive or desire to learn what they do not know.
     
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    Ten years ago I had hope for humanity. We faced and face huge challenges but it was still manageable. What we have witnessed in this country over the last few years causes me to have serious doubts.

    I think it really comes down to selfishness. There is no rational explanation for the rejection of science. It is an emotional issue. People care more about their own lives than they do the lives of their children and grandchildren. Most people are only willing to act when the house is burning down.

    There is no way to defeat human nature. Enjoy your life and screw the rest.

    I nearly ended it all about six years ago. I didn't but it was close. One of the realizations that dawned on me was that I was working my life away trying to help people - trying to help ensure a future for their children - who don't give a damn. I don't even have kids. Why do I care?

    So decided to have a lot of sex with beautiful women and have fun while there is life left. How do you fix the world? We don't. You can't save a race that doesn't want to be saved. The Bell Curve is the killer indeed!
     
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    We also have an intentional policy of propaganda that spreads confusion, disinformation, and therefore hopelessness.
     
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    It is hopeless unless the political climate changes - we need political climate change to act on environmental climate change! :D But what I have seen is this: As science brings to bear our personal responsibility to act, more and more people simply reject science.

    People only accept facts that act in their favor. Cure disease? Great! Go to the moon? Sure!!! Give me a supercomputer in a phone? Awesome.

    Ask me to change my behavior and you're all full of sht.
     
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    As the situation grows ever more time critical, as we approach the tipping point, assuming we haven't passed it already, which way do you see things going?

    In my view, we are suddenly 40 years behind where we were 25 years ago. I see all of the progress made over the course of my life evaporating in a big puff of orange hair. I would even go so far as to argue that Trump may be the ultimate symbol of hopelessness. He is proof that facts don't matter.
     
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    (Great show BTW)
     
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    This is what the power of the oil industry over government brings.
     
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    Islamic Republics created a lot of great science - then Fundamentalism took over.
    America created a lot of great science - now Fundamentalism is taking over.

    Too many "smart" people were convinced that Americans weren't dumb enough to vote for trump, so they stayed home instead voting against trump.


    ETA
    RE:
    Not a bad idea at all.
     
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    Yes. "Fundamentalism" = "Fundamentally mental" (I couldn't resist)
    Actually fundamentalism=superstitious ignorance.


    Actually I think the one real alternative, Bernie, was taken away from them and they rebelled against the two exceptionally poor alternatives.
     
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    Oh, they understand.
    They just don't care.
    All they care about is money and short-term gain.
    The ones that get me are the rubes that swallow the anti-science malarky - "What do dem scientists know, anyway?"
    The answer is -- "A lot more than you do, Billy-Bob."
     

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