Sea ice has no effect on sea elevation, melting land ice does

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  1. livefree

    livefree Banned

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    The data used by climate scientists to reach their conclusions has all been publicly available for a long time.

    It is still a denialist myth that the data isn't freely available....IT IS. But it turns out that having the data does you deniers no good because the data shows just what the experts told us it does.

    Data Sources
    27 November 2009
    This page is a catalogue that will be kept up to date pointing to selected sources of code and data related to climate science.

    Data Sources

    Climate Data (raw)

    • GHCN v.2 (Global Historical Climate Network: weather station records from around the world, temperature and precipitation)
    • USHCN US. Historical Climate Network (v.1 and v.2)
    • World Monthly Surface Station Climatology UCAR
    • European weather stations (ECA)
    • Italian Meterological Society IMS
    • Arctic data from the Cooperative Arctic Data and Information Service (CADIS)

    Climate data (processed)


    • AHVRR data as used in Steig et al (2009)[/B]

    Paleo-data

    Auxiliary data


    Paleo Reconstructions (including code)

    Large-scale model (Reanalysis) output

    These are weather models which have the real world observations assimilated into the solution to provide a ‘best guess’ of the evolution of weather over time (although pre-satellite era estimates (before 1979) are less accurate).


    Large-scale model (GCM) output

    These is output from the large scale global models used to assess climate change in the past, and make projections for the future. Some of this output is also available via the Data Visualisation tools linked below.


    Model codes (GCMs)

    Downloadable codes for some of the GCMs.


    Model codes (other)

    This category include links to analysis tools, simpler models or models focussed on more specific issues.


    Data Visualisation and Analysis

    These sites include some of the above data (as well as other sources) in an easier to handle form.


    Master Repositories of Climate Data

    Global Change Master Directory (GSFC)
    • NCDC (National Climate Data Center)
     
  2. jc456

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    So i didn't see raw data, where is the raw data stored?
     
  3. livefree

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    You better look again, it's under the second heading - 'Climate Data (raw)'
     
  4. Lord of Planar

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    Did you see how much was missing, that was filled in with copy and paste?
     
  5. livefree

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    Meaningless drivel.

    The data is all there. You are just in a state of delusional denial about everything.
     
  6. jc456

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    so question, when someone asks you what time it is, do you give them the directions on how to build a clock?

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    why is data cut an pasted?
     
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    as long as follow this approach there's no danger of deniers ever admitting the truth

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    You can post all the links to data you can find they'll never read it and the odd one that does won't understand it...
     
  8. livefree

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    That's hilariously meaningless.

    When someone asks me for the data that is used in climate science, I show them where the data is archived and available. Is that too hard for you to comprehend?




    ??????........ROTFLMAO.....do you even know what that nonsense is supposed to mean?
     
  9. Lord of Planar

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    LOL...

    If you say so.
     
  10. livefree

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    Why, yes, I do indeed say so. If you think I'm wrong, prove it. The scientific data is all there.
     
  11. Lord of Planar

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    I'm not the one making the claims that don't come to be.

    I guess the observations are wrong since 95% of the models disagree with them.
     
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    I went to the first link, traced the source paper.

    Here is the first paper:

    http://www.addinall.net/climate/ausclimate/Hansen81_CO2_Impact.pdf

    It doesn't work. It's only chance that the figure 6 graph comes close. Their "empirical equation" includes changes in aerosols, which went down rather than up. Messes up the predicted graph. I also noticed the figure 5 graph appears it would match closer if solar was given a higher coefficient.

    The other three links? LOL... Rinse, repeat, propagate...

    In Hansen's paper, I did find Figure 4 rather interesting. According to Hansen, doubling of CO2 has no immediate (months later) effect of surface temperature. He shows a 2.8 degree increase for doubling "many years later." At one point they say it would take 50 years for a rapidly mixing thermocline. My latest estimates I have claimed as both five 11 year solar cycles, and 55 years, a downward revision of my past 70 years. This can support my contention that the works in the 70's used correlation of CO2 to temperature for their sensitivity. The formula accounts for the 11 year cycle, as clearly seen by its modulating effect in figure 5. The many years later would be due to the thermal inertia.

    Nobody yet has shown me I'm wrong.

    It appears things don't add up either. They speak of theis 50 to 250 year minimum for fast mixing, and yet do most work as if real time. I guess this allows them to claim the 0.2% increase in solar has not effect, and can correlate strictly to CO2, which doesn't effect the ocean changes like solar does.
     
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    Anti-science denialist drivel. You have no idea what you're talking about. But, just for laughs, if you imagine you're right and all if the real scientists are wrong, go ahead and write up your 'theories' and submit your work to a major, peer-reviewed science journal and see if you can disprove all of the actual scientists. LOL.
     
  14. Lord of Planar

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    I really wish for once you could address the merits of what others say instead of these chronic put downs. You shouldn't accuse me of having no idea what I'm talking about when you don't say why, other than it disagree with dogma.
     
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    Well, the future will tell us. Until then, do you think you can stop with the personal insults? Is that all you have?
     
  16. Lord of Planar

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    Let me ask you this.

    Every time I bring up the decades of time solar changes take to have effect, you disagree. When I point out they claim CO2 does this, you agree.

    This a laughable, especially since SW penetrates water magnitudes deeper then LW. Anyone with a basic understanding of what I just said, agrees with me. It's not a difficult concept. A paper doesn't need to be written for common scientific knowledge.
     
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