Seriously….. What would it take for a GOD to prove itself? (Part 2)

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Do you believe we humans have been created or at least are guided?

  1. No.. all life has evolved due to random chance and particle inertia.

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  2. Yes. I have concluded that some sort of intelligence is guiding humanity.

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  3. No we humans are probably the most technologically advanced species in the multiverse.

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  4. Yes. I certainly see evidence of guidance and answered prayer in my own life.

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  5. No. a truly superior life form would not allow such injustice and suffering.

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  6. I really am not sure what to think?????

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OK.........… but are you open to the possibility of their being life in higher dimensions of space - time who at least have some sort of emotional attachment to us......… and even to trees?????

    https://angelicview.wordpress.com/2015/09/06/commanded-by-angels-to-preserve-the-earths-canopy/


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    OK...Dennis....understand that all Matter and Energy as well as all LIFE in our Universe and all other Divergent Alternate Universal Realities within our GROUP.....which is but ONE GROUP...of an INFINITE IN NUMBER UNIVERSAL BASELINE REALITY GROUPINGS......all exists at a MINIMUM 10-D.

    It could be as high as 26-D and 11-D is highly probable but we KNOW....MATHEMATICALLY.....that you need at a MINIMUM....of 10 Dimensional Geometric States for MATTER AND ENERGY TO EXIST!!!

    This mean's ALL LIFE existing in not only our Universe but all Divergent Universal States of Reality in our Universal Baseline Reality GROUPING....which are infinite in number....and all have the same natural physical laws our Universe has.....NEED AT MINIMUM 10-D Space-Time Dimensionality....thus everything and anything alive or not in our Universe and all Alternate Universes that are within our Baseline Grouping....HAS AT MINIMUM 10 DIMENSIONAL SPACE-TIME GEOMETRY!!!!

    4-D is not enough dimensions for matter or energy to exist thus you cannot have 4-D LIFE in our Universe.

    Life is most likely...and especially SENTIENT LIFE....existing in 26-D.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    My number one rule about my religion is to never think about it. Dwelling on it defies faith.
     
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    I have no issue as far as a person having Religious Beliefs or Faith.

    Unfortunately I am not capable of having such Faith.

    I wish I could.

    I wish I did not know all the things I know as it would allow me to be BLISFULLY IGNORANT.

    But the more a person knows....and understands....the more difficult it is for FAITH to exist in such a person.

    I will have FAITH in my men. Faith in myself. Faith in the fact that there has never in Human History been a time when the MATH showed something to exist that it didn't.

    But as far as having FAITH in some GOD and that GOD'S PLAN....well I have seen way too much to fall for that!

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    Well if you look that deeply into it of course you will lose faith.:roflol:

    just remember, keep it shallow :)
     
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    I can't.

    I can't just think to myself....OK....this sounds stupid to me but if I just IGNORE THE FACTS OF REALITY...everything will be OK!

    I can't do that.

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    but if you think about it too much it's like a dog chasing it's tail. You never catch it.
     
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    I try not to think too much about it but with what I already know it is IMPOSSIBLE for me to have FAITH in some GOD as described in any ancient religious text.

    I even have a very deep understanding of how the Roman Imperial Biblical Canon created both the Old and New Testaments and why they only used the Gospels of the FAB 4 Apostels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and not the other 8 Apostels.

    The REASON only the FAB 4's Gospels were used by the Roman Imperial Biblical Canon is because the FAB 4's Gospels stated that Jesus taught that he was the actual physical SON OF GOD.

    The other 8 Apostles Gospels stated that Jesus taught that all Men could become the SON'S OF GOD if they followed his teachings.

    Plus there are all sorts of Mistranslations and errors as Moses NEVER PARTED THE RED SEA!!

    In the Tanakh which is what the Imperial Roman Biblical Canon used to write the Old Testament...it states Moses CROSSED...not parted but CROSSED THE YAM SUMH.....and Yam Suph means....REEAD SEA OR Seaweed Sea....wich was a very shallow and tidal marshy area between the Med and the Red Sea's where Moses and the Hebrews crossed at low tide.

    The following Egyptian Army which was days behind crossed at the end of low tide and as the water came in their chariots got swamped.

    There was no 1000 foot high waters being divided and the Egyptian's did not drown as the Yam Suph was only 3 to 10 feet deep at most and there were Reed Covered Land Areas that were small spread out throughout the area.

    Another falsehood is Ramses II was not the Pharoh when Moses lead the Hebrews out of Eqypt.

    Ramses II was born hundreds of years later!!

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  9. DennisTate

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    AboveAlpha..... did you just write what I think you just wrote?

    Do you also suspect that there is intelligent life in all 26 dimensions of space - time?

    That is exactly what I also have thought since I first read about String Theory back in the 1990's.

    I figured that intelligence would probably come into existence......… and evolve, in dimensions of space - time where electromagnetism, gravity, weak and strong nuclear force were probably not even separate from each other.
     
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    You are thinking about it again aren't you?:hmm:
     
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    I am of the opinion that one important part of the test that each and every religious belief presents us with........... is whether or not we can begin to admit when our theological/ philosophical opponents are probably correct, or significantly correct in some of their major teachings.

    For example...… from what I have read of near death experience accounts and of the beings of light who meet people who have a brush with death.........… what was told to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is perfectly in line with what is also shown to people of all religious backgrounds who have a brush with death, or out of the body experience in which they meet with a superior being that they equate with G-d/ YHWH/ HaShem/ Allah......…


    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...d-son-good-prophet-prophet-muhammad-pbuh.html

    I believe Abraham said "good son and good Prophet" to The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)



    If more Christian Mystics and even some Jewish Mystics will begin to discuss the theory that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was in many ways a Prophet Like Unto Moses as well as perhaps King David or Elijah or the Patriarch Abraham reincarnated........ then peace will soon break out in the Middle East!!!!!!!!!

    http://www.near-death.com/muslim.html

    3. The Prophet Muhammad's Journey to Heaven


     
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    I have to admit it....... back in late 2012 when I read a brilliant book by a near death experiencer that proved to me that the Virgin Birth idea was almost certainly added to Christianity in the second or third century....... I was in a state of something like shock for some time????!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...longer-believe-virgin-birth-jesus-yeshua.html

    I no longer believe in the Virgin Birth of Jesus/ Yeshua!



    I did until December 2012 when I read The Thomas Book Near Death and a Quest for Another Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus.......

    This book has the potential to transform the relationship between Jews, Christians and Muslims!

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    Oh........ the reason why I state that that book can transform the relationship between Christians, Jews and Muslims is because page 137 to 160 give a brilliant explanation for a verse in the Koran.............


     
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    On the other hand....... near death experiencer Christian Andreason was shown about the need for a type of faith that I have never heard of being taught by any religious group?????

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/christian-andreason.html#a08

     
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    Dennis, what AboveAlpha is trying to say is that Life exists in the same number of dimensions that the Universe holds.

    Remember a dimension is some property or physical aspect of the Universe. It's not a pocket universe, but just that everything is all in, from the simplest virus to the most complex life form they are all 26D (if the Universe has 26 dimensions). Get it?
     
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    That is exactly what I also have been thinking!

    This is truly encouraging information.

    Do you think that this is a good explanation of how the various types of brain waves can help us to connect with our older and wiser over soul that would exist for thousands, perhaps millions, perhaps even billions of years previous to our birth as a human???

    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

     
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    Well Dennis, people's brains work better when they get exercise. So I'm not surprised that runners get some of their best thoughts done during their runs.

    I don't know about what affect brain waves have on the brain.

    This all reminds me of some crazy thoughts. I thought that in my pre-birth memories I was advised against saying too much about the other side of things.

    That life on this planet is getting to an advanced stage and it could be dangerous for beings on the other side to be born into this life this late in our planet's development. There's a danger that we, here on this Earth, might try to tap into the other side of things.

    But it was probably just my imagination, probably. :smile:
     
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    No................. it is for valid reason that the 908 Rainbow Warriors have chosen to generally live as hermits...… .but sent one of their members to introduce them to the world...........

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/14...N=1493551094&linkCode=as2&tag=viglink20280-20


    Rainbow Patrol (Bernadette Safari) (Volume 1)Paperback– October 21, 2013

    by Stella Knoxville


    I met the author over in this discussion........

    http://whitefeatherforum.yuku.com/t...lans-for-the-Gay-community-to-usher-in-utopia
     
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    Dennis I shouldn't be encouraging your wild ideas.

    These people write books to make money. That doesn't mean that's how the world actually works or that they've uncovered secret knowledge.
     
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    Now I feel bad for telling Dennis off. :(

    So let me put it another way that might be a little more gentle.

    Dennis sometimes people get a glimpse of something that is coming, but it doesn't always turn out the way they foresee it.

    Now I don't want to get into family business, but there are times this happened to me.

    I foresaw my Grandmother getting colon cancer years before she got it, and I even warned her about it. But it happened in a way nobody could have foreseen. It started as pancreatic cancer and it was only discovered after it grew into her colon and she was diagnosed with colon cancer.

    My point is that even if you see something coming that doesn't mean it will turn out the way you foresaw it, or maybe it will even play out a different way entirely...

    So, at least in my opinion, even if someone has a genuine prophesy there's only a chance it will come true, it's not a sure thing. There's a chance it might not come true.
     
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    Actually........ a significant percentage of writers feel driven to write the books that they produce.

    Thirty percent of published authors are bi-polar or manic depressive. At the time that I met her on the White Feather forum Bernadette Rainbow Patrol was not entirely thrilled to have been chosen to write a book about the Rainbow Warriors that she had met. But she had been convinced that she had to do it due to the seriousness of the transition that she feels that she is a part of.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/religion-philosophy/422403-warriors-rainbow-eyes-fire.html

    Warriors of the Rainbow by Eyes of Fire.
    A massive shift in the world economy is coming.

    It is pretty obvious that the way that we do business, industry and agriculture is terribly flawed.

    We all have a choice as to how soon we begin to shift over to this better way of life. I sure have a long way to go to apply these principles.

    http://www.manataka.org/page235.html
     
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    Wgabrie....... I know that you know how the future can affect the past of a different time line/ alternative universe.

    Some fantastic quotations on this from near death experiencers are here in sections #2 and #3........

    http://www.near-death.com/science/research/future.html#a02

    ...... but how does all of this relate to your grandmother and her case of cancer???????

    Well............ a possible time line may be being lined up in which you......... become a doctor??!

    I believe it was in the second part of the Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski films where a high level Obama administration was quoted. He stated that America was not ready for Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski's cancer treatment........... because it could set in motion something far worse than the recession of 2008????!

    He had a good point....... radiation, chemotherapy and surgery are almost certainly obsolete technology based on what I have read by a number of other physicians on the subject of cancer.

    "Believe in Change." (Barack Obama)
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2zm1ut

    Well...... apparently that high level Obama administration official did NOT sufficiently believe in the change over to a world in which cancer is treated in much more effective ways????!

    Actually...... one astonishingly effective nutritional supplement that helps a high percentage of cancer patients has been used by veterinarians since the 1930's, but was not patented for humans until 1997.

    Veterinarians knew, that nutritional sulphur assisted the body to detoxify and you can rest assured that they told their physician friends about this fact but.............. doctors involved in bureaucracy and government prevented their knowledge from being applied for cancer patients.

    The injustice that all of us have seen........ in a sense may be a set up for a vastly better future..... where...... positive change is truly understood and believed in....... even by bureaucrats?!

    AboveAlpha's book being published about Multiverse........ could assist many physicians to have a different view of how important it really is to courageously fight for the rights of their patients for competent treatments that actually work.
     
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    Dennis, There are a lot of good cancer treatments coming over the horizon. But none of them came soon enough to help my grandmother. She died.

    My point wasn't to bum you out by bringing up health problems, my point was that I was reminded of things that came true. There are other things I haven't told you about that didn't come true.

    So, what happens in the future? Who can say. I sure can't, even if I take a peek.
     
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    It seems to me that INERTIA is nearly a sacred law?????

    What happens in the future........ is to a huge degree the result of people making decisions.

    Even seemingly small things that we do can have an enormous ripple effect on other people.

    You got me inspired to begin a discussion that could well inform some people who really accomplish something big with this info:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...deem-himself-fully-over-coming-14-months.html
    Could President Obama redeem himself fully over the coming 14 months?
    My answer to that question is YES!

    A fantastic place for President Obama to begin...... might be to tell the truth about the Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski cancer treatments and how even Democratic Party officials also persecuted him and kept his treatment out of the hands of doctors who needed it to treat their patients?!
     
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    Dennis,

    Forget about treating Cancer with nutritional supplements.

    They are going to be able to grow replacement organs either 3D print them or grow them in the lab and they can use these organs to replace the ones lost to disease without the risk of rejection.

    They can use specially engineered retroviruses to target the cancer cells and return the function to their kill switch.

    These are some of the examples I'm talking about that are on the horizon.
     
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    Yes..... but if you research this topic more you will find out that some astonishingly effective low cost treatments have been available for many decades, and the truth about them was not courageously promoted like it should have been.

    Nutritional sugars cannot be patented, and thus could be widely available at a low cost, but......... only a few physicians show the kind of courage that Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski or Dr. Ben Carson or Dr. Rayburn Goen showed.

    Specially engineered retroviruses......... obviously CAN be patented!!!!!!!!!!!!

    So yes........... this type of treatment will get lots of attention..........


    http://www.rayburngoenmd.blogspot.ca

    http://glyconutrientsarevital.blogspot.ca/2006/08/dr-ben-carson-glyconutrients.html
     

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