Should circumcision be banned?

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Should circumcision be banned?

  1. Yes, its disgusting, immoral, and pure mutulation.

    12 vote(s)
    17.4%
  2. No, but we should require anesthesia

    11 vote(s)
    15.9%
  3. No, but it should not be done to children

    11 vote(s)
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  4. No, its religious freedom

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    31.9%
  5. Yes, but allow it for medical reasons.

    6 vote(s)
    8.7%
  6. No, but Yes.

    7 vote(s)
    10.1%
  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    male circumcision doesn't make sex painful, remove most pleasure from sex.

    but u have a point.
     
  2. ARDY

    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so what if parents felt a religious duty to cut off infants earlobes
    or tattoo a star of david on the forehead, or tattoo a satanistic symbol on the forehead

    the presence or absence of pain is imo not the point
    the point is that there is no need to have adults make this decision for an infant
    if the infant grows up and wants a star of david tattoo on their forehead
    ok go for it
    but i just do not see it as necessary or right for parents to decide this for an infant
    regardless of any religious justification


    but lets say my view became law and accepted practice
    does anyone believe that 100% of the kids who were not circumcised
    would go to the doctor at 18 and ask for the operation?

    so what about the rights of the kids who would decide against circumcision as adults?

    i guess better not to give them the choice?
    do it while they are infants so it is not their option?
    sort of like a pre-emptive tonsillectomy...
    and take out the appendix too?

    just makes no sense to me
    just social conditioning makes it all seem normal
     
  3. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    parental rights is a tricky issue.
     
  4. ChrisL

    ChrisL Well-Known Member

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    Well, that isn't the only reason why circumcisions are done. There are apparently health benefits and very little risks. Some people have to go back as adults because of problems related to the foreskin and/or infections, and I've read that it's more painful for an adult man than for an infant. Of course, I can't say for sure because infants can't really tell us how bad it hurts.
     
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    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah. I have heard all that stuff
    It is all rationalization

    Fact. People did not start circumcision because of health benefity


    Fact. There are places in the world where C is uncommon. These places do no suffer from health issues as a result

    If god created men with fore skins
    Did he make a. mistake.
    Was it a bad design choice?
     
  6. ChrisL

    ChrisL Well-Known Member

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    Well, according to some medical experts, it most certainly does have health benefits. That isn't ME who says this. It is the American Pediatric Association. They say that circumcision has health benefits that outweigh the risks.
     
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    If you are referring to female circumcision, hell yeah. If you are referring to male circumcision, then no it should not be banned, but people should really stop doing it unless they are Jewish.
     
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    What about the health benefits? Why would you be okay with doing it for religious purposes but not for the health benefits that it provides.

    http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/guide/circumcision

    There is some evidence that circumcision has health benefits, including:
    A decreased risk of urinary tract infections.
    A reduced risk of some sexually transmitted diseases in men.
    Protection against penile cancer and a reduced risk of cervical cancer in female sex partners.
     
  9. ARDY

    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ok
    Let me ask this question

    Is the fore skin a design defect
    By the creator
     
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    Web md says
    The use of circumcision for medical or health reasons is an issue that continues to be debated. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) found that the health benefits of newborn male circumcision outweigh the risks, but the benefits are not great enough to recommend universalnewborn circumcision. The procedure may be recommended in older boys and men to treat phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) or to treat an infection of the penis.
     
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    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How ever you feel
    One thing is indisputable

    The risk benefits of vaccines are much much much higher than for C


    So if you think c is a good idea
    You dang well better be vaccinating your kids
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    From my perspective, those same health benefits occur with proper hygiene.
     
  13. ChrisL

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    Well, I guess you'd have to argue that with the American Pediatric Association. They say that there are health benefits to male circumcision.

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    Sure. Vaccinations have saved MILLIONS of lives. What's your point?
     
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    Exactly, "health benefits outweigh the risks." Right? So if a parent feels that circumcision is going to provide some health benefits in the future, and the procedure carries a very low risk rate, then it should remain a choice.

    No one can say how "painful" it might be for the baby since a baby cannot tell us. It certainly doesn't seem to traumatize them on any long-term basis. In fact, I would go so far as to say that men who were circumcised as an infant don't even remember it. Lol.

    I'm also sure that it is probably much less painful as an infant than it is for an adult male to have to get it done because of issues he might have.
     
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    I imagine that they would agree that there are health benefits to keeping your penis clean too. If you want to mutilate your little one's little one, feel free. That is a parent's sacred duty--deciding how to scar their child for life.
     
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    Point is that a lot of parents these days avoid vaccines
    But Also get their kids c
    If you want to claim to be concerned about childs health
    And use this as a reason to c
    Ok
    But why not use the same logic to apply to vaccine

    I observe that many parents have children who are c, but not v
    So i hsve to wonder if the decision to c was really a health driven decision

    And
    Btw
    The pediatric guys agree that there are benefits toc
    But NOT enough to support routine c
    And isn't that what we are talking about here
    Becuse most parents simply ly do nothing give much thought to the issue
     
  17. ChrisL

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    Most men are circumcised in this country. Most people don't consider it mutilation.

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    Well no, circumcision isn't always for health reasons. Sometimes it's for religious reasons. Some parents want to make it easier for their child to care for it, I suppose. It's not always easy to get your 10-year-old son to bathe and do it correctly. Lol. They are going to be more prone to being "unclean" at young ages.
     
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    And if they had to wait and decide for themselves once they reached adulthood, most men in this country would not be.
     
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    ChrisL Well-Known Member

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    How do you know? As a matter of fact, there are quite a few men who decide, in adulthood, that they want to be circumcised for various reasons.

    http://www.thestar.com/life/2012/01/09/why_adult_men_are_getting_circumcised.html

    Also, apparently some men find sex to be more satisfying after a circumcision. For example . . .

    http://www.circinfo.net/men_circumcised_as_adults_tell_it_as_it_is.html
     
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    Pointless question.
    America's Jewish rulers would never allow such a thing to happen.
     
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    Seriously? Israel is the only country ruled by Jews.
     
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    So they claim.
     
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    I don't think so.
     
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    If someone wants to undergo the procedure on their own accord when they are of age to make those decisions on their own, they should be allowed to.

    But to do it to a baby, in other words without consent, is barbaric, immoral, and just generally wrong.
     
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    Oh please. You could say that about many things that parents do on behalf of their children. As for it being "immoral", that is just baseless and without merit. Parents have to make decisions for their children.
     

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