Should Homosexual Men and Women Be allowed to teach in schools?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by JeffLV, Mar 24, 2012.

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Should Homosexual Men and Women be allowed to teach?

  1. Yes, after passing standard screening required of any teacher.

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  2. Yes, but only after passing additional screening.

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  3. Yes, but their Curriculum should go through extra screening.

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  4. Yes, but only females. Males should be automatically disqualified.

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  5. Yes, but under other aditional qualifications (Please Specify)

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  6. No, under no condition (Please specify reasoning)

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  1. RiseAgainst

    RiseAgainst Banned

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    I mostly agree with you.

    After thinking about it i don't even consider this a particular issue for homosexuals. It should be standard all around no talking about your sexuality or personal life in the classroom. Even though I know teachers do talk about their personal lives, I'd like to see laws change where that is prohibited. Then there is no issue. You come to work to teach and leave everything at home. Then everyone is happy. Happy happy joy joy.
     
  2. dilligaf

    dilligaf New Member

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    Homosexuals have mental illnesses ,why do you people want people with mental illnesses teaching our children?

    Homosexuals are 1% of the population yet make up the majority of serial killers, why is that?
     
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    Yes, they should be allowed to teach in schools. If they bring political, ideological, or sexual preferences into the classroom, it is up to the administration to decide whether they should be disciplined or not.
     
  4. tomfoo13ry

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    I read the post you were responding to and I didn't come away thinking that he was questioning a teacher's ability to teach but was instead asking for the opinions of others.

    I do, however, think that a certain level of reading comprehension should be required of all teachers. I don't really care who they're sleeping with, though.
     
  5. JeffLV

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    I don't think it's necessary to pretend we're not human when we go to work, but there are some jobs and situations where it's less than appropriate. I see a difference between conversation with adults and conversations with students.

    Honestly, I can only think of one incident where a teacher spoke about herself personally, but perhaps it's because we're already desensitized to incidental conversation that hints at sexuality... for example, the prefix "Mrs." vs "Miss".

    Incidentally, the only personal remark I can specifically remember was from a teacher that spoke about her religion. She was a history teacher... upset that "intellectuals" among her would criticize religion, saying it's only designed to give hope to poor people, pesants and common citizens of historical societies. She just wanted to tell us that giving hope is not a bad thing - that it may have been used for bad reasons in the past (i.e. to control people), but that hope itself is a virtue of religion.

    I'm not sure if this was crossing over the line or not - I personally did not object to any such comments. I appreciate understanding the viewpoints of others. At my core, I believe almost everyone essentially believes in the same principles, but they come at them from different starting points and viewpoints. Understanding the nature of those views and where they come from is the first step to finding common ground, as oppose to just demonizing viewpoints at surface value.

    But perhaps that's too much or inappropriate for K-12 education. As much as I appreciated hearing the viewpoints of my teacher, I understand the call for privacy and discretion among teachers on a variety of topics.
     
  6. Claude C

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    Why do you hate gays and lesbians?

    See one in the mirror?

    You'd be so much happier just being who you naturally are. All this gay bashing from you isn't fooling anyone. Just come out and be what you already know yourself to be.
     
  7. JeffLV

    JeffLV Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can never tell if people are being sarcastic humorous, sarcastically critical, or sincere in posts like this.
     
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    I saw nothing to indicate he hates gays. Is that one of your problems being projected?
     
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    Should Catholic men be allowed to teach in schools...

    ..considering what their clergy do to little boys?
     
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    I would have no issue with a homosexual taking up a teaching position within a school. Wouldn't phase me at all.
     
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    Homosexual pedos, what would you know.
     
  12. RiseAgainst

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    Are you bisexual or homsexual?
     
  13. dilligaf

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    Bisexuals are responsible for passing aids onto the heterosexual communities...it is because black men practise the down low the reason aids is very high amongst african american women.
     
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    So long as they teach Adam and Eve, and not Steve and Steve.
     
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    No, it is related. Everybody has their beliefs, their education, and their influence on people and their influences from other people. If you ban teaching just one group, it leads to pure discrimination to that group, in this case homophoby.

    I made that answer for making you to think what logic and what precedent you could install if you could do that. And the intention was to make you see that it was absurd.
     
  16. JeffLV

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    The question of the OP is strictly related to the perceived danger or lack of danger posed by homosexuals to children. It's a pretty narrow question, and doesn't involve much else other than considering whatever danger you think does or does not exist.

    The question of what to TEACH is a mess, begging questions about parental rights, age-appropriateness of the material, about the proper role of education, about what qualifies as a topic that can be introduces in class, and then under that umbrella, how it can be taught.... can the teacher take a position, does he/she have to be neutral, are students only required to do private essays on the topic where they articulate their positions, or can the students articulate in active debate?

    The topics may be related, but the issue of what to teach is much more complicated. I didn't want to muddy up the water with this additional complexity. Maybe I should, the question of what to teach is an interesting one - I anticipate plenty of murky coming soon enough anyway.
     
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    I don't care what their sexual preference is. Just do your job, and leave your (*)(*)(*)(*)ing politics out of the classroom.
     
  18. kilgram

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    Me neither I wanted to talk about what has to be taught. But, you asked if homosexuals should teach at schools, no? And I appointed that this issue can be approached to any group with ideas and activism, you said that if the teacher is activist of the homosexual rights should not teach. Then the same problem can appear if the teacher is an activist of conservative ideas.

    And about the other questions that you do, I am a defender of active debate. I think that is the best way to educate the children and to force to think for themselves, and also is a good way to improve their ways of speaking, writing(if they have to write an essay) and if it is correctly conducted of argumentation and research, because you need to back up your arguments and justify it. So I think that it is really positive fomenting the active debate.

    For example, I am seeing this educative method in Finland, and I think that is really good and effective, and I think that is one of the reasons why Finland has the best educative system of the world.
     
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    That from memory , most kiddy fiddling comes from Dad , surrogate Dad , Uncle ...

    It means precisely what it says .
    I am almost certain the figures overwhelmingly support the statement , but I can't be arsed to waste 30 minutes dragging out the files etc ,
    However , rather than be dogmatic , I will cover my own derriere .
     
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    While I believe homo/lesbian activities are comparable to crack smoking & would support making these sexual activities illegal again, the fact is that the law allows this. As to homo/lesbian schoolteachers, that depends though I believe gay/lesbian schoolteachers are a bad idea. If it's a private or religious school, then they should be allowed to refuse to hire gay/lesbian schoolteachers.

    If it's a public school, then it depends. If a gay/lesbian schoolteacher in a public school is teaching classes be it math, history, science, etc. to children & not discussing homosexuality & keeping a neutral view on this, then I don't care. But the problem is that gay/lesbian schoolteachers with help of straights who support their cause often try to push their views of homosexuality on schoolchildren by telling kids that gay/lesbian sexuality is OK while punishing kids who say that they see something wrong with gay/lesbian sexual activities. If a kid responds by telling a gay/lesbian schoolteacher that homo/lesbian activities are comparable to crack smoking, that kid can be punished & there has been controversy over kids being punished because they gave a view on homosexuality which the teacher did not like. :bonk:

    Public schools must be neutral when it comes to politics. Oppose teachers telling kids gay/lesbian activities are normal for the same reason as oppose teachers saying abortion is Okay & with abortion I'm pro-choice. If a pro-choice teacher was punishing students for giving pro-life views, then that is bad. The problem with gay/lesbian schoolteachers along with their supporters is that too many of them push their views on gay/lesbian sexuality on other kids & then punish kids when they give views which the teachers don't like. Finally the punishment for sex abuse must be more when it's homosexual in nature. Don't misunderstand, all sex abuse must be punished. If a man commits statutory rape on an underage girl then the punishment must be = to if a woman commits statutory rape on a teenage boy. But if some1 commits homosexual/lesbian sex abuse on a minor then the punishment must be more because gay/lesbian activities whether it's consent or forced is anti-social. 33% of boys were homosexually raped in youth & homosexual rape in youth is a reason why some boys take up homosexual activities in adulthood.
     
  21. JeffLV

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    Don't worry, I made the mistake of thinking you knew my position. My response to you was sarcams. I'll take it as a compliment that I made an unbiased poll.
     
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    Pure ignorance of what are the homosexuals and pure totalitarian ideas(banning personal activities).

    Ah, and there are some states that have sodomy laws however they are not applied.
     
  23. Claude C

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    Great question.
     
  24. Claude C

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    Care to just let it all out and tell us what other human behaviors you'd consider stoning people for, Mahmoud?
     
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    I am choosing to not respond point by point to Snow's comments but of course he is wrong.

    To me it is simple- all teachers should be held to the same standards, regardless of their religion, national origin, race or sexual preference.

    If my chief concern was to prevent sexual abuse by teachers of students, then I would be advocating preventing men from teaching girls- because statistically by far the largest group of pedophile victims are girls abused by men- and because I know women who were seduced by their male teachers as teenagers.

    But as a society, we do not chose to eliminate the positions of thousands and thousands of male teachers just because a few of them abuse their positions of authority. And that is how we should look at this issue too.
     

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