Should states decide on gun ownership?

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  1. cabse5

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    It appears SCOTUS plans on tossing the restrictions on abortions to states and states' lawmakers.

    Should SCOTUS toss restrictions on gun ownership to states?
     
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    Largely the states already control that.
     
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    The Constitution says we may keep and bear arms. The Constitution makes no such statements about abortion.
     
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    Some states already make it near impossible to obtain or own a gun. So not far off. They already control it.
     
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    The states already control that. Each state deicdes what restrictions to place on gun ownership. Some are lax, some are very strict. Then every once in awhile a state places an excessvie restriction on gun owership, then a lawsuit follows which usually goes all the way to the SCOTUS.

    But by and large, the states deicde they own gun ownership laws today and always have.
     
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    Which states make it near impossible to own a gun? I live in one of the most gun law restrictive states in the US and have no problem not only obtaining guns but also obtaining a LTC.
     
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    It’s not easy to own a gun in CA or NY, much less travel through it with one in your car. And forget about actually using it without being accused of murdering someone, including an intruder in your own home. Glad I live in FL.
     
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    You haven't made a case for "near impossible" to own a gun.
     
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    Now that's outdated bull, if I ever heard any. Heller killed that a decade ago.
     
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    If you're referring to the second amendment, that amendment was meant (for the federal government) to regulate states' militias since the US at that time had no standing army.
    Well, now, the US has standing armies.

    BTW, keeping arms and bearing arms mean too different things.
    Keeping arms means using arms in other than war capacity.
    Bearing arms means using arms in war.
     
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    Then, there's no need for the 2nd Amendment?
     
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    Are you sure there was no standing army at the time?
     
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    In 1791 when the second amendment was passed, there was no standing army to protect the federal government hence the need for the federal government to regulate state militias in the second amendment.
     
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    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    It's clear.
     
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    The right of the people to keep and bear arms is in most state constitutions. The guys in the first congress who ratified the second amendment were attempting to regulate state militias since the federal government had no standing army.

    BTW IMO, if there was no right to bear and keep arms in a state's constitution, that right not to bear and keep arms wouldn't be infringed either.:roll:
     
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    It appears as though you are incorrect


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army
     
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    There is a difference between an implied right, such as Roe v Wade, marriage, travel, etc, and a direct right, which is in the US Constitution directly.
     
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    The amendment seems very outdated. Why not update it?
     
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    Already done. I live in California and the second amendment is unrecognizable. Criminals are happy about that!
     
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    How about we don't. Let's update that pesky first amendment to keep you from expressing your opinion.... Would you like that?

    After all they did not have the internet when the first amendment was written so it's very outdated
     
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    Sure. You can update that for your country too to get with the times. Why should a constitution written hundreds of years ago still hold power over your present day people?
     
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    Which one is specifically enumerated in the Constitution and which isn't.

    You'll find your answer in that answer.
     
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    Militias are citizen armies.

    The amendment was specifically for the rights of citizens the right to bear arms.

    Says whom?
     
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    Why shouldn't it? What's the expiration date?

    That's a silly question.
     
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    ~ Yes , however there is " right to life" — so I expect once a fetus has a heartbeat this would be protected. We shall soon see ...

    "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness " is a well-known phrase in the United States Declaration of Independence
    The phrase gives three examples of the unalienable rights which the Declaration says have been given to all humans by their Creator, and which governments are created to protect .
     
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