should States have a right to decide whether gay marriage is legal or not?

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should States be allowed to choose whether homosexuality is legal or not?

Poll closed Jul 27, 2015.
  1. yes

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  2. no

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    87.5%
  1. Nashk

    Nashk New Member

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    Due to the recent events I believe States should have the right to decide if homosexuality is legal because that would make a lot more people happier.
     
  2. CJtheModerate

    CJtheModerate New Member

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    The title of the thread and the title of the poll are asking two different questions.
     
  3. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    No, the SCOTUS has decided that marriage is a basic right, implied in the Constitution. If you're in the United States then that is one of your basic rights. Your state's voting populace can't overturn that right, nor can even the entire United State's voting populace. The Constitution was created to protect your rights, not the other way around.
     
  4. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Water under the bridge now. That is irrelevant.
     
  5. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But it's not implied in the Constitution and the dissenting Chief Justices pointed that out. There is no mention of marriage or buggery in the Constitution and what's not in the Constitution is left to the individual sovereign states to deal with not the federal government or the federal courts.

    What we witnessed yesterday was five Supreme Court Justices legislating from the bench.

    And that's DANGEROUS.
     
  6. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    why is the poll asking "should States be allowed to choose whether homosexuality is legal or not?"

    no, states should not have the right to make homosexuality illegal.
     
  7. One Mind

    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    True. The only recourse the People have, is to take their gov't back, for clearly it stopped representing the People, from Citizens United, to this, to the Congress not obeying what the majority of the people want in regards to TPP.

    Taxation without representation, which a gov't unchecked, always seems to morph into, as the power of money trumps the gov't by, and for the People.

    When enough people get fed up with it, violence will break out, blood will flow, people will be killed, for at the end of the day, that seems to be the only thing humans understand. It's a crying shame, but our history, our reality.

    People go nuts, develop mob behavior, and given the economic suffering in America these days, created by Neoliberlism, the soil is becoming more and more fertile for this. I would not even dismiss that the scapegoats will at first be the gays who celebrate with such pride, their unnatural behavior. And do not think this is unthinkable, for one thing human history teaches is that nothing is unthinkable. We can turn into Nazis easier than people want to believe, as only a thin veneer exists between civilized behavior and chimp behavior. Never forget that.

    I sense a breaking point coming, and it isn't gonna be nice, nor civilized. All that is needed is the inevitable economic crash, that Neoliberalism has set up, and then look out. Being old, I hope I die before it happens.
     
  8. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I fail to see any compelling State interest in forbidding Gay men & women from marrying.
     
  9. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I sense the economic crash coming soon also. Once this country drops off the abyss, the great depression may look like a Utopia. People survived the great depression because they were a hardy self reliant bunch. The family was still intact and family helped family and neighbor helped neighbor. People took not only responsibility for themselves, but for other around them. There were no government handouts unless you count the WPA, TVA, CCC, CWA and the like which instead of handing out money for not working, these organizations made people work or put people back to work.

    Today, people are not self reliant and do not take responsibility for themselves, let alone other. Everyone or most everyone has become very reliant on government to take care of them. Where people, family, friends, neighborhoods, towns moved to help people, today it is nothing more than government. What happens when government can't meet the needs of the people whom government has made reliant on them? I get your point.
     
  10. Nashk

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    But if someone where to get the law passed that States have a right to decide would be very popular and make many people like whoever did it.

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    Well, you don't live in Alabama. Where homosexuality is despised.
     
  11. Nashk

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    To me it's not irrelevant. It's not in the constitution so it should be left up to the states but liberals don't pay any attention to the constitution so it won't happen under Obama.
     
  12. perotista

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    My view is government has no roll to play in marriage. That goes for federal, state and local. I do not even think states should be in the business of issue marriage licenses. People should be able to marry whom they want and even how many they want. To me, all of this falls under the auspices of individual liberty.
     
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    Why don't all the states become independent sovereign nations with their own head of state, their own defence forces, their own legal system?
     
  14. Nashk

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    That would work because some States aren't self sufficient
     
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    Alucard New Member Past Donor

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    No. The issue was settled by the U.S. Supreme Court by decreeing Gay Marriage to be the law of the land.
     

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