Should the FDA and EPA exist? Or should "freedum" prevail?

There were only 4 agencies within the power of the executive branch granted in the constitution. Creating other agencies is no one of their granted powers.
Art. II, Sec. 2, cl.1:
•makes the President Commander in Chief of the armed forces when they have been called by Congress into the actual service of the United States. 3
•authorizes the President to require the principal Officers in the executive Departments to provide written Opinions upon the Duties of their Offices.
• grants the President power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for offenses against the United States, 4 but he can not stop impeachments of any federal judge or federal officer.

Article II, Sec. 2, cl. 2 grants to the President the power:
•to make Treaties – with the advice and consent of the Senate. 5
•to nominate Ambassadors, other public ministers and Consuls, federal judges, and various other officers – with the advice and consent of the Senate.

Article II, Sec. 2, cl. 3 grants to the President the power to make recess appointments, which expire at the end of Congress’ next session.

Art. II, Sec. 3:
•Imposes the duty on the President to periodically advise Congress on the State of the Union, and authorizes the President to recommend to Congress such measures as he deems wise.
•Authorizes the President, on extraordinary Occasions, to convene one or both houses of Congress [e.g., when he asks Congress to declare War]; and if both houses can not agree on when to adjourn, he is authorized to adjourn them to such time as he deems proper.
•Imposes the duty upon the President to receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers.
•Imposes the duty upon the President to take care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and
•Imposes the duty upon the President to Commission all the Officers of the United States.

 

Actually it was a joke because if you knew about this then you would know that the heavily lobbied Congress, which you seem to think are incapable, have already passed extremely harsh laws against dumping in the ocean.

 

I prefer a national FDA\EPA, can get rid of the local ones, a uniform policy across the USA is best


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It is also more corruptible. Much easier to gain influence with a few key people than it is to do it in 50 different states.

 

There are not only laws, but there are special agencies to enforce these laws. Some of these fines can be very big.

But here's the problem with fines: the damage has already been done. Preventative measures through oversight and law enforcement could be more effective at preventing illegal dumping in the first place.

If you have a man-made toxin in your body, you know that somebody isn't preventing these corporations from polluting.

 

Is it this cartoonist's assertion that only government regulation can mitigate the risk of tainted food and drugs? There really is no free market oriented alternative??? Think Underwriters Laboratories

 

Really?

"Its too hard to enforce so let's make a whole new government agency!"

First violation is a 10 million dollar fine, second time you lose your ability to operate in the US.

Watch this problem disappear.

 

there is 50 chances to corrupt our food supply if each state has it's own rules


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Depending upon their ideas and political indoctrination, they want no regulation at all.

 

Let's reiterate what the right wing position here, for most of us, is again.

Congress is responsible for writing all the laws in terms of environmental protections, as well as every area of the nation but due to the enormous task of this, they must delegate that authority, which the Constitution allows them to do, to others.

Congress has chosen to delegate their authority to the EPA in this area and the EPA has gone too far in most cases with over regulation. What we on the right are suggesting is to return that power of law making, back to Congress where we the people have a more direct say in what happens and keep the EPA as simply an enforcement agency with zero ability to make law.

 

Yes to both. Neither has a Constitutional basis.

Marxists define freedom as the power of the state to do as it chooses. Or have I misunderstood you?

 

What is a moderate conservative? Is that someone who only wants to be a little bit free?

Most of us want a federal government that is constrained by its written Constitution. The Federal government was created by the states to solve a few, specific problems. It has burst free from the Constitution and does whatever politicians want.

It is time to demand that your state legislatures petition the Congress for a Convention of States to propose amendments.


We can restore our liberties through state actions. We can not restore liberty through federal actions. Tyranny is here. It is time to end it.

 

If a state decides it needs a fascistic agency...

Establishment Republicans are just as fascistic as democrats.

If one wants to remain free one must remain vigilant.

 

Should the country be purely ran based on the Constitution, and nothing else?

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This is exactly the same crap the Confederacy said over and over before revolting, and after

 

This is because you are a Marxist. You are an enemy of individual liberty.

I don't believe you will ever understand that we do not want a tyrannical central government. We want a government that abides by the Constitution and only does those things that the States granted a federal government the authority to do.

 

Actually they do.

Congress can create any type of organization it wants and delegate their powers to it.

Article I, Section 8

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

 

When you say "We" the people you are talking about are the people who still live in the Confederacy

 

"Yes to both. Neither has a Constitutional basis.

Marxists define freedom as the power of the state to do as it chooses. Or have I misunderstood you?"

Yes.

"We can restore our liberties through state actions. We can not restore liberty through federal actions. Tyranny is here. It is time to end it."

Really? Can you show that the states tried to call for a Convention of States?

All government tend toward tyranny. All governments attempt to accumulate power for themselves at the expense of all others. Ours has reached the tipping point. It is tie for some federal-government-limiting amendments that restore a balance of power between the States and the Federal government.

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"This is because you are a Marxist. You are an enemy of individual liberty.


I don't believe you will ever understand that we do not want a tyrannical central government. We want a government that abides by the Constitution and only does those things that the States granted a federal government the authority to do."

Some people, Marxists, are foolish in general. All are tyrants.

 

If we ran our government solely based on the Constitution, slavery would still be legal. Are you ok with that?

 

"Neither has a Constitutional basis."

Your education is deficient. Do you understand what the foregoing powers means? A federal government with unlimited powers, which is what you believe that phrase means, would never have been ratified by the people in the states.

Which of these powers do you believe allows for an independent, fascistic, environmental protection agency?

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; —And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.​

This is an example of tyranny at work. All aspects of our federal government are broken and must be repaired and restored. Only a Convention of States has a chance to restore individual liberty and the balance of power between the states and their creation, the federal government.

 

If you have difficulty with reading comprehension get out of the basement and go ask your mother to explain things to you.

First I suggest that you read the Constitution. If that is insufficient then read a bit about how it is amended. Try to understand that amendments become a valid part of the Constitution.

And lastly, if it remains dark for you try to pull your head back out of your rectum.

 

The Confederate States were defeated in a civil war in 1865. If you like I can provide a link.

 

The demand that your state legislature petition Congress for a Convention of states to propose amendments. Then get your state to demand that fascism become enshrined in the Constitution. Easy-peasy.

 

It occurs to me that there is an implied false dichotomy which says:
We have two options:
1) Regluate all commerce to prohibit contaminated air, water, food and drugs
2) De-regulate the economy and permit the contamination of air, water, food and drugs.

Why are these the only possible options??

 

This is not about individual liberty. A company polliuting the air that EVERYONE breathes can not be seen as something that effects only the company. The companies have proven to be unwilling to regulate their own pollution, and so the government has to regulate them. I agree that the EPA often overregulates, but the far right policy of stopping all regulation, and pray that corporations become willing to put aise profits for the well being of the people does not work. The same is true for the health regulations passed by the FDA.