Sineman and Manchin Filibuster Support is Popular Among Voters

“Democratic Sens. Joe Manchin (W.Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema’s (Ariz.) opposition to filibuster reform is scoring them points among voters in their states, according to conservative polling obtained by The Hill.

In West Virginia, 59 percent of respondents said that Manchin’s pledge not to weaken or eliminate the filibuster makes them more likely to vote for him the next time he’s on the ballot in 2024. More than a quarter of respondents — 28 percent — said that Manchin’s vow makes them “much more likely” to back his reelection.

For Sinema, who has said that senators should focus on cooperation and compromise rather than changing the filibuster, the support was even starker. Nearly two-thirds of Arizona voters surveyed — at 65 percent — said that her position on the matter makes them more likely to support her, including 31 percent who said they are much more likely to do so.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...support-scores-political-points-back-home-gop

I've seen surveys with similar results authored by Democrat pollsters (attached below). Democrats may have gone over the line when they stopped the pipeline, and announced their intention to redraw districts, change the Supreme Court, add states, etc., etc., etc. They always figure out a way to shoot themselves in the foot.

Why would Sinema or Manchin decide to change the rules? What forms of intimidation do Democrats intend to exert on them? They will have a huge war chest, and play the part of co-consul.

 

Which is the only reason either of them support the filibuster. I wish they would just come out and say this instead of the stupid bullshit they spout about expecting the other side to "do the right thing".

What I would not give for just one single honest politician.

 

Oxymoron.

 

Only because we the people allow it to be. Once again party come first, country comes second.

 

Is Sineman a Trigonometry Superhero?? Able to determine an angle in a single calculation??

 

“All politics is local”

Tip O Neill

 

joe will callout these stooges and they will fall in line. he’s already started.

 

No, they will not and Joe cannot push them. If either one of them chooses to swap parties or even become independent the Dems lose control of the Senate

 

my money’s on they fall in line and we pass infrastructure and HR1. why else would schumer bringup thr HR1 vote so soon if he didn’t have the votes. there’s still 17 months before the election.

 

He already did. They told Biden to "suck it." This week has been armageddon for Democrats.

 

they have to play the game. that’s what the OP was about ffs

 

Exactly.

 

Are you indicating they have some control of the Senate now?? Cause other than 1 vote, I haven't seen much of it...

If either both became I's (like Bernie and Angus King), they'd probably still caucus with the D's the great majority of the time.

Cannot wait until we get a 52-48 Senate in 2023....

 

They still control the committees and what comes up for a vote

 

Biden is a popular president, so if you're going to compartmentalize Democrats, that's the only poll that matters.

Arizona is a conservative state. It's also an independent state, which is why it went for Biden. They may be conservative, but they're not Trump worshippers (except for the state Senate, of course.) You're not gonna make many friends in AZ by disrespecting John McCain.

I don't know how you picked your examples, which I disagree with - nobody connects the filibuster with the Keystone pipeline - but the general consensus would be preventing the passage of far-left legislation. What particular legislation that might be is irrelevant, as independent conservative Arizonans would oppose it regardless.

The argument boils down to a simple majority or 60 votes to pass legislation. When Congress is operating as intended, a 60 vote majority promotes debate and compromise. Congress isn't operating as intended.

That said, these voters' opinions are subject to change, when something they support gets shot down by Mitch McConnell's party of no.

 

if that plus 12 gain since november in new mexico is an indicator of the midterms enthusiasm, dems are gaining seats.

 

That's true.... if we were still under the obstructionist thumb of Moscow Mitch, we never would have known there was 55+ support for a 1/6 committee...

Chuck calling for a vote by the end of June for S1 is likely to break this logjam, one way or the other...

 

Not sure where you are getting +12 gain since November, but I like your enthusiasm....

Just in that district, Haaland won in November (with Presidential level turnout) with +16

The special was won this week with relatively low turnout at +24.5... good gain, but not 12...

If the D's can mitigate the gerrymandering and voter suppression laws, I'd feel really good for 2022, historical norms aside...

Here's a story you want to read about NM

https://www.rawstory.com/trumps-big-lie-backfires-new-mexico/

GOP 2022 bumper sticker - "More bitching, less voting"

 

Manchin and Sinema are two of the few Democrats making sense. You guys would do yourself a huge favor by putting them in top leadership positions. All they are asking is that a 50/50 Senate give both sides a fair hearing and then move forward on the areas where there is broad agreement.

 

That would explain the 2000 or so that watch his speeches on Youtube.

 

Once I read "Joe Biden is Popular", I just couldn't bear to continue reading the post. On June 4 2009, Obama was a popular a President cause his approvals were 60%, and then the Republicans took a sledge hammer to it. A 50-54% approval that's trending downwards is not an indication that Biden is a popular President. It means Democrats are screwed are starting in great position.

 

The original purpose of the filibuster was to ensure that the Senate minority could not be silenced by the majority and be able to express the minority opinion(s). I have no problem with that. However, to use it as a tool for "minority rule," to permanently block cloture is, IMO, unconstitutional in that it violates the basic constitutional principle of a simple majority vote for all legislation, unless otherwise specified in the Constitution (i.e. the two thirds vote required for impeachment, treaties, amendments to the Constitution, etc.). It needs reform to be brought back to its original intent.

 

haaland won that dem district by 17 in november.

stansbury won by 29 the other night. +12 gain in 7 months after the insurrection.

 

There is no downward trend. Fake news.

How Popular Is Joe Biden? | FiveThirtyEight

 

Con artists use fake diamonds to scam victim out of thousands - ABC13 Houston

Nobody is buying that anymore. Too bad. I was hoping for bi-partisanship myself. McConnell has made it clear that there will be none, so while I admire these two Democrats standing on principle, it's clear that they're asking for something that doesn't exist, like a fake diamond. We'll see what happens as things go forward.