Sinking US aircraft carriers will resolve tension in South China Sea, says Chinese admiral

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  1. Pred

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    I have to agree. Listening to young Liberals talk now, many might be happy, since they view our military as the enemy of the world. Snowflakes don't come from military families or the poor or they wouldn't have the attitude they have. They have no REAL hardships, which explains how easily they trigger on some of the most menial and trivial B.S.
     
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    "Combined with the Brits" - nice goalpost change there

    US arming of the Soviets and ourselves only ramped up after 1941.

    Are you really claiming the US could not ramp up production of war machines if we adopted the same level of government control of industry we had during WW2?
     
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    No, we could not

    So much basic manufacturing has move to china that we would not have enough time to get back what was lost in decades of stupid economic policy
     
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    And of course you can source this claim
     
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    We couldn't come close to the ship production we had in WW2 because most of those facilities closed down and are now housing developments and golf courses
     
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    Right. China and Russia know they can push the boundaries and get away with a lot now, because they have the military bargaining chips to do it (nukes and sophisticated ballistic missile systems, among other things). We're not about to take on such a power over the fate of Taiwan or Syria, say.

    Of course, this wasn't terribly different before the world wars started. We were not a military superpower prior to these wars; our involvement in them led to such developments and put us in our present position. Americans found the resolve to fight without needing overwhelming military superiority in advance.
     
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    A military response maybe but not a war. The snowflake congress just might back down immediately just as they want to do with the trade war and wanted to do in Afghanistan but now he have a lot more Harry Reid types.
     
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    I'm thinking such a move would force us to consider the greater ramifications of backing off versus duking it out, because if we did back off, China might not stop, but might get more aggressive still toward their neighbors. It would place us in a very precarious position, with this nuclear power having brazenly attacked our forces just for trying to maintain maritime freedom in accordance with international law. How might Japan, South Korea, Australia and others react? It would be a hell of a situation.
     
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    And the Great Depression definitely did nothing to American factories, right?
     
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    Just like snowflakes said we deserved 911 they might say the same about china sinking an aircraft carrier. Difference is now they are in congress instead of on the street.
     
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    I'm not sure these snowflakes would choose wisely on this and might think it better to back down and let china run the world.
     
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    Here's the difference. In that era we built dams across mighty rivers in short order. Now snowflakes claim it's impossible to build a wall on our southern border.
     
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    https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/daily/wwii/admiral-isoroku-yamamoto-japans-naval-war-leader/

    "He played no part in the militarists’ decision for war"

    https://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/07/opinion/a-reluctant-enemy.html

    "During the political turmoil of the 1930s, Yamamoto was a leading figure in the navy’s moderate “treaty faction,” known for its support of unpopular disarmament treaties. He criticized the mindlessly bellicose rhetoric of the ultranationalist right and opposed the radicals who used revolutionary violence and assassinations to achieve their ends. He despised the Japanese Army and its leaders, who subverted the power of civilian ministers and engineered military adventures in Manchuria and other parts of China.
    As navy vice minister from 1936 to 1939, Yamamoto staked his life on forestalling an alliance with Nazi Germany. Right-wing zealots condemned him as a “running dog” of the United States and Britain and vowed to assassinate him. A bounty was reportedly placed on his head. He received letters warning him of an impending punishment “on heaven’s behalf,” and authorities discovered a plot to blow up a bridge as he passed over it.

    In August 1939, Yamamoto was named commander in chief of the Combined Fleet, the highest seagoing command in the Japanese Navy. (As it placed him beyond the reach of his enemies, the appointment probably saved his life.) From his flagship, Nagato, usually anchored in Hiroshima Bay, Yamamoto continued to warn against joining with the Nazis. He reminded his government that Japan imported around four-fifths of its oil and steel from areas controlled by the Allies. To risk conflict, he wrote, was foolhardy, because “there is no chance of winning a war with the United States for some time to come.”



    Yamamoto represented a minority opinion in the Japanese government and military.
     
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    Show me a single person who has claimed it is impossible to build a wall on the border.
     
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    All very interesting but as I suspected you have nothing to back up your assertion that Japan thought we were snowflakes who wouldn't fight back.
     
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    https://products.kitsapsun.com/archive/1991/12-01/239253_japan_felt_it_had_no_choice_but.html

    "If Japan succeeded long enough in the Pacific, a warweary America would sue for peace and depart East Asia, judging it not worth the cost in blood."

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...nd-the-silly-people-leaders-of-imperial-japan

    "Japan's hope was that by destroying the docked Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor, it would so fray American nerves and war-fighting power that the U.S. would sue for peace."
     
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    Ask and ye shall receive. I can only imagine what these snowflakes would have said about construction of the Hoover dam.


    Geologists on the impossible logistics of the 1,000-mile Great Wall of Trump

    https://boingboing.net/2017/02/10/geologists-on-the-impossible-l.html
     
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    Because the soil at the border is the same as the geological conditions at the Hoover Dam?
     
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    Question is are Carriers now a liability?
     
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    First quote is just an opinion of the author of the article not a Japanese policy quote.
    Second quote is an opinion expressed by Winston Churchill not official japanese policy quote.

    Your assertion that Japan thought we were snowflakes that wouldn't fight back is proven false.
     
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    You're right. The Japanese clearly launched an attack that would only have worked as a one-hit knock punch thinking that America was going to fight back hard. They clearly went to war intending to lose.
     
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    You asked for "a single person that said construction of the wall was impossible" . You got your answer.
     
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    And you further made a claim that these same geologists would have said the Hoover Dam is impossible. Are you saying the soil conditions along every foot of the border are identical to those at the Hoover Dam?
     
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    A first strike that decimated the Pacific fleet is not the hallmark of a power that intends to lose.
     
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    Yet the Japanese war strategy could only work if they believed we would quit after that one big offensive.
     

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