So, I don't understand...

The issue here being that often simple refutation is taken as disrespect by those you refute....Christians tend to dwell within a persecution complex and take debate as a personal affront.

At least they don't lop off heads because of it.

 

No, those are not requirements from an individual, those are your misconceptions formed by the human desire to feel needed.

 

That is your interpretation. Go visit the happyatheist forum and watch how respectful debates can exist. The antiTheists in here put Christians on the offense, not debate.

 

Your attempts to point this out are admirable, but it's just not going to change anything here.

There is no option to let believers believe, and move along. The atheists here have a need to shout them down, insult, call names, and make up a whole bunch of stupid threads, all for the sake of trying to defeat God.

Personally, I believe... (also based on a study I read), when someone believes something they don't want to... or at least entertains the possibility... they will be very vocal about the impossibility of it. What I have told them is they are trying to convince themselves.

Doing so, in a an anger-filled group setting as they have here, is basically an online support group.

Of course, that's where they start focusing on me and insulting me instead of whomever they were debating in the first place.

Anyway.... nice post.

 

Believers are notoriously blind to their own faults:

"""There is no option to let believers believe, and move along. The atheists here have a need to shout them down, insult, call names, and make up a whole bunch of stupid threads, all for the sake of trying to defeat God.""""



And you closed your eyes and refused to see believers do exactly the same thing...so you think it doesn't exist...hiding under the bed is easy...

""""Personally, I believe... (also based on a study I read), when someone believes something they don't want to... or at least entertains the possibility... they will be very vocal about the impossibility of it. What I have told them is they are trying to convince themselves.""""""""


LOL! Sounds like someone who had religion shoved down their throat....

 

Case rested.

 

Like I said....thanks for that.

 

Eyes closed

 

Help me understand why one would do this? Is it a stress relief?

 

Actually, it is a mixture of entertainment, curiousity, and interest in knowledge...with a dose of ego satisfaction.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=393047&p=1064677227#post1064677227

What specific values that the USA was founded on only pertain to Judeo Christian values, etc?
What specifically is identified in any documentation on the founding of the USA that prove that claim true?

 

You didn't answer my question:

"Exactly what was incorrect in what I have posted?" Our exchange proves that you non-believers like to put your boots on the necks of believers.

And BTW somehow the quotes are incorrect in our past posts attributing what you said to me.

 

Because Slavery isn't frowned upon by the Bible, in fact it is endorsed.

Religion certainly has no claim of ownership on moral righteousness. If they claim so, ask them from where? From scripture? Surely not. From the 10 commandments? Hogwash. Look at them, they express the rantings of a jealous and selfish god.
Where is thou shalt not hold slaves in the top 10? Where is though shall not hurt Children? Where is thou shall not rape? Not there, because those aren't the moral teachings of scripture.

Only the truly wicked would need a book written by goat herders 2000 years old in the most ignorant and illiterate part of the world, to tell them what is right or wrong.

 

Can you manage to refute without ridicule, without belittling, demeaning or sarcastic references to ' flying spaghetti monsters' The tooth fairy or comparing Jesus to Vlad the Impaler or Adolph Hitler? I would hope theists would interpret such shock and awe tactics as attention-seeking efforts, and treat such posts like one might treat a toddler holding his breath and screaming. But they don't. I know I have enough of an imagination and discipline to make the same points without seeming so desperate to offend.

 

Yes...I can and mostly do. I will admit to dropping the FSM once in awhile, but it is something created to do just that and is quite effective for that purpose. In debate one tends to use the most useful data to make a point. would is be more offensive to say "the manmade and imaginary creature created to represent a God entity", or the "FSM"?

 

Yes, the quote function got messed up.
So, you avoid answering the question by accusing me, a believer, of putting my boot to your neck? So you make things up about other people?
By me asking you to show me how your claim of the USA being founded on Judeo christian values? Which now I have to assume you made up as well.



http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=393047&p=1064673674#post1064673674

Here, this is what I want you to explain. If we can start over.
What specific only Juedeo Christian values was our country founded on?
What document(s) contain these specific values?

 

You evaded my question by posting questions when you never answered my question in the first place. Mabye you got confused with the quote function, go back and answer my question then I'll consider answering yours.

 

Maybe you could say, " I think the concept of God is just a manmade, imaginary creation". I don't need to juvenilize it or belittle it, to explain how I see it or describe the conclusion I think the scientific evidence supports.

 

I have no issue with religion saves its foisting itself all over the public square and onto their own impressionable children as in child abuse putting in stupid ideas and making them true. I'm not opposed to imaginary things we tell children lots of things, create stories and tales like Harry Potter and the Oz stories. But its fiction and eventually Santa Clause loses its illusion for the truth. These dull minded people actually keeps this going afflicting adults with a kind of insanity. So as long as they insist on foisting it on me I will counter openly promoting Atheism as they do preaching reason to them and blasting holes in the stories of the Torah and other faiths. But they back down then I'm all for backing down.

Seriously adults seriously believe these BS stories in holy books and worse base a morality on them? I think the leaders of the faith largely push this crap because its an easy way to make money and don't believe this crap, its seriously easy, here give us money and not ask how we use it and if you don't your not a good [insert faith] and will burn in hell/not reach nivana or whatever. Its brilliant as a racket.

 

Teaching children 'stupid ideas' and 'making them true' sure does broaden the definition of child abuse rather dramatically from one I am familiar with. You got any links to statutory language in any of the state criminal codes that sound like that?

Parents have quite a habit of teaching all sorts of ideas, values and beliefs to their kids. Normally we expect those kids to figure out which ones they want to keep later on. Considering the growing percentage of people in this country, who no longer attend a church pray frequently or describe themselves as very religious, I think that system is working out fine.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=393047&p=1064678501#post1064678501
This is the only question I've seen you ask me.
I answered it by showing the exact post where you made something up, meaning you posted incorrect information.
We are not founded on Judeo christian values.

So I asked to show why you made the claim. Show specifically what is judeo christian values we are founded on.

 

Post #46, you accused me of posting incorrect information. I asked you "Exactly what was incorrect in what I have posted?" You have yet to address it.

 

Seems to me a lot of work to be politically correct and protect the sensitivities of whiners.

 

OK, one more time. This is the 3rd attempt. See if you have the where with all to grasp it.

What 'Judeo Christian values, morals and philosophy' that we are founded on, are specific only to 'Judeo Christian values, morals and philosophy'?

What USA documentation are specifically referring to these 'Judeo Christian values, morals and philosophy'?

 

Because the problem is in people! Most of modern atheists are just don't know what the word "Atheist" means, it's just a trend. Also, look at the officials, democrats can't understand republicans and republicans can't understand democrats in some issues, same picture! Problem is in moral degradation of today's(and not only) people!