So I tried asking out a girl...

lol (*)(*)(*)(*), you REALLY make them work haha.

 

Who's him? If there is a him than him had to exist and be in your mind before he approached. Him is who you made the first move one maybe not even knowing that you did. Your signals are the first move. Most women dont like being cold approached and those that do aren't really worth a guys time.

There is always genuine interest. You don't approach someone you aren't interested in. But it needs to be a two way street. Women do the choosing. Cold approaching every girl you think is hot is a sure way to end up going home alone, especially when the ones who were actually interested in you see that you are hitting on every girl.

Part of knowing how to dress is knowing the setting and what looks good on you.

You talk to people and socialize but you are still alone. You go out with friends when you want to be out with friends. When you are hunting you go alone, friends are a third leg.

Its not up to women to approach.

You do realize that "bend your head to listen as your friend talks into your ear and look up and make eye contact" is one of the all time classic signals. A guy would have to be blind not to pick up on this one. You have just made the first move when you do that.

And you really have to screw it up. I mean you really have to be bad at conversation to screw it up when she has given you the invite. Once she has chosen the hard work is done. As I said all the big stuff happens before you have even opened your mouth.

 

Please you need the security of the (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)pack because you aren't an alpha. There is never a single alpha male in an (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)pack even the alpha(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) is still a beta. You have no energy on your own that is why you need the pack without it you are afraid and weak. I don't need the pack to have energy. I don't need a pack to show that I'm sociable. Others will come to me. That is an alpha. You need to learn how to develop and project your own energy and quit having to rely on others.

 

Sorry to sound like a pessimist, but don't take it too seriously.

In all likelyhood you will probably be kicked in the face at some point. Ask her out, if she says yes, do it, if not, then well, ask someone else out. I sually don't ask more than once or twice, if someone is interested they will make time. You make time for the things that interest you.

Enjoy while it lasts and when it goes to hell it goes to hell and walk away.

/Little ray of sunshine

 

Would respectfully disagree with that assertion, evolution has shown us that those who group themselves together evolve faster than those who are tribal or independent in nature. This is because they can avail themselves to more resources and have better odds in the competition for survival.

This is programmed in the genetics of the human female, they sense the great power that emanates from men who are leaders of crowds rather than lonely men who are the master of their own domain.

In nature the leader of the pack is the Alpha the rest are Betas, those without a pack are in an even harder situation to reproduce due to not belonging to a community to aid in the survival of them and their offspring which appears unattractive to a female suiter.

 

Making up excuses is just a stupid and passive way of saying "no." That kind of chick is not worth your time, as you will always be trying to interpret her little game.

 

You are trying to rationalize your own weakness. Like I said if you are a true alpha others will come to you. When an alpha walks into a club he isn't the alpha(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) of his own little (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)pack that is one of many (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)packs in the club. He is the alpha of the whole (*)(*)(*)(*) club.

You need to learn how to generate and project your own energy and quit trying to hide your weakness amongst others.

Very few people are born alphas. Even fewer alphas survive to adulthood as modern society starts at a very early age to reinforce weakness. That is why the early 21st century has seen a rise of the fake alpha aka the (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)bag. But that learned weakness can be overcome if you are willing to step outside of your comfort zone.

 

This may be the first time I have ever said this, but liberal minority is right. Human beings are pack animals. Therefore showing the ability to be a leader in the pack, would have been more appealing than a loaner surviving on their own. This isn't really a discussion, it is obviously true. Human beings are weak, slow, don't have sharp teeth or claws, don't have natural camouflage, etc. We survived because we are intelligent and we work together effectively, therefore it is in our evolutionary best interests for our females to seek out men who can effectively lead a group, not who can effectively survive alone.

 

As me old, sainted mother used to say "There's plenty more fish in the sea."

 

as I started to read this It came off as a stalker type of thread, some of the post's make sense and I agree with the pack leader mentality, but also depending on where your "hunting" so to speak might not be the type of girl your after.

I dont know you (op) personally and wish you the best of luck (Because if I did know you and like you that might change lol)

seriously if your more comfortable on a one to one encounter thats the enviorment you need to be in (meet someone at a work type place instead of clubs) if you like the pack hunt clubs I guess would be fine. either way in either situation your secluding the person for a one to one conversation it just depends on how much work you want to do to start talking to them. ("fighting" off friends yours/hers/his)

 

His flaw is thinking that going out in groups shows that you are the leader of the pack. The true alpha is the alpha of the entire club. Not just a little pack of doucehbags. A true alpha doesn't need to form his own pack. The pack forms around him.

 

If she is interested her friends are not a problem. Your friends are. Her friends will try and cockblock. She will tell her friends to get lost.

That is the mistake most men make. They think about how to talk to the girl they are interested in rather than identifying who is interested in them.

In college I knew this really hot girl who was with this really average guy. He hadn't really worked hard to get her she just had a really strong attraction to him. I really couldn't understand it until I met her dad. Her boyfriend could have been her dad's clone. Its a good lesson. Don't get to hung up on the looks you were born with, keep yourself in descent shape, dress well, learn to carry yourself well, and give off a strong positive energy. With so many fish in the sea some women will inevitably find your features attractive for some reason or another. The question is if you will identify it and go after those women instead of going after the ones you want the most but dont want you. It is much easier to run downhill than uphill.

BTW the conversation is way more about body language than what is coming out of your mouth.

 

this is if she's a stronge enough person to push her friends aside not all women will dismiss their friends for a conversation with a stranger.

I have a question about this and maybe its just me but if your intrested in a Australian Shepard pup and a cat is being nicer to you but your really want that pup do you settle for the cat just because its intrested in you more?

I like your college story but heres the thing, to YOU he was average, you were probably comparing him to you. Some people have stronger parents that they feel safer with someone like their parents.

I like your question but it goes back to my question if you think your worth someones time to make an effort to talk to them, its not always going to be easy. lifes not easy and ever really going to be a downhill stroll then an uphill climb. This to me just sounds like your settling for what comes to you though.

I figured it had to of changed from what I was originally reading to last 14 pages. (like I said I read a few, really just in the beggining) and have to agree on it helps to be positive but you can also be a slob and find women who will flock to you.

 

It depends. If she is out having a girl's night out and doesn't want to be bothered by men, then no, she is not going to dismiss her friends to talk with some raging boner. If she is looking to get to know a guy and happens to bring her female wingmen along, then her friends will understand if she "dismisses" them when she finds someone she is interested in. It has nothing to do with being strong enough to push friends aside (and that's a terrible way to word it), it has to do with her reason for going out.

 

it is a horrible way actually (Sorry bad coffee at work today and im thinking way too early today ~.~)

Scenario (going to use guys as an example now can be used for both genders)

Group of friends, Lets say 5 guys all go to shoot pool to have a few games, beers and just hang out. One of the guys see's someone he thinks he might like to get to know (guy/girl really dosnt matter specifics) Now if everyone starts busting on his chops about leaving for some tail he might not leave because of his friends (not stronge enough to walk away from his friends push them aside) or might still go with the original intent to just hang out and someone caught his eye.

For instance I have a friend who will not leave a group if were shooting pool because its bad manners.

 

Duder, if a girl is interested in you there will be no doubt in your mind. If you said you liked killing kittens she would say "So do I" just to hang out with you. Sorry but you are in friendville and that is all there is to it. Find a girl who wants to be with you not one have have to try and convince to go out with you.