So you think homosexuality is a choice?

A while ago I had a discussion with someone online who told me homosexuality was a choice. He said that those who said they did not choose to be gay simply filled their heads with lies, saying that 95% of what I believe is a lie. If they just focused on wanting to be straight, they would be, and I just "didn't get the point". He was a genuine guy--honestly believing this, so here is the answer I gave him.

I'll tell you something from experience. Homosexuality is about attraction. I'm gay, but when I was younger I wanted nothing more than to be straight and "normal" like everyone else. When I found myself attracted to certain guys, I immediately did everything I could to avoid them, hoping it would make me straight. It didn't. I had a girlfriend for three years, hoping she would somehow change my attractions. She didn't. I prayed every night for God to make me straight. He didn't. So you bet I get the point. But never was I straight in those moments. I was always gay. The attraction was always there, no matter how unbelievably strong my desire was for it to go away forever.

So now I've moved on. And you can say my head is full of lies, but the only lies I ever let in were the lies that I was somehow wrong. The lies that I was not really gay when I was all along. Is everything I believe true? Probably not. Hell, undoubtedly not. Which is why I've changed my political opinions more than once. I'm open to the fact that I am wrong and others are right. How about you? You seem so certain that 95% of what I have in my head is a lie (how'd you even get in there!?). How much stored in your head is a lie? How about you tell me those ideas since I can't read your mind and we can see who still clings to lies.

A lot of people seem to go through similar things. Thoughts?

 

You only have one life. Live it your way, not the way others expect you to live it.

If others don't like it - tough. It's none of their business, unless YOU chose to make it their business.

 

Bisexual here with some of my thoughts. Homosexuality obviously isn't a choice. People can't control who or what they're attracted to. However, I don't think gays privately having sex is the big issue with Christians, conservatives and most straights in the country; it's that homosexuality is often associated with degeneracy. We don't have a choice about who we're attracted to, but we can choose to not behave like degenerates. When they see (seemingly) angry man-hating lesbians and men running around in stockings and thongs in gay pride parades (while simultaneously asking for the rights to things like marriage and adoption) they get freaked out. They think all gays are mentally diseased. I don't blame them for it to be honest. Mannerisms are a choice; and we need to drop the outrageous behavior that so many of us exhibit it we want to be treated like normal people.

 

I think there is definately alot of truth to this. Christians also get outraged at overt and flaunting heterosexual behavior. Christians are also about overcoming one's urges/temptations, sexual or not.

 

I do not think it is a choice. I believe it is a natural deviation that occasional occurs. I do not think of gay people as less in value, but I don't support gay marriage.

 

BS. People are who they are. They should not have to hide that for the comfort of others. We would not be here right now if it were not for the drag queens and flamboyant people who started protesting after Stonewall. If anything, we should stand behind them.

Just like I'm an openly gay hockey player (on an all straight team now), drag queens and leather daddies deserve to be who they are as well.

 

People are what they are, but much of what we are is learned behavior. While a person can be born gay, they can’t be born a masochist, no more than I could’ve been born a gamer. Those things are learned.

Then they should do it for decency’s sake. Want to dress like a woman? Fine, I wholly support that. But wearing nothing women’s underwear in public during a pride parade I don’t support.

I disagree. I think we could’ve gotten here sooner if we promoted a monogamous, wholesome, family friendly image of ourselves. When straights see the costumes and exposing outfits they think: "these people are not like me, they have no values, they’re not suited to be policemen, teachers, soldiers and the like.” Every time the issue of gay marriage has been put to a vote it’s been shot down. Even in very liberal states. It’s because they look down on us; even when they say otherwise. I want straights to know that I’m like them in most every way imaginable; I’m just into men.

You’re comparing apples and oranges. There’s nothing wrong with being gay and being out of the closet, but “leather daddy” isn’t a sexual orientation.

 

Factually incorrect. It has been approved by a majority voters in Washington, Maryland, and Maine.

 

I see. In revision: it's been shot down in nearly every state it's been put to a vote.

 

So what?

No one said you have to support it. But you should also not expect others to do what you want them to either. It's a free country.

Everyone is not like you though, are they? BTW- marriage most certainly has not been voted down in every state people have voted on it.

Also, you obviously don't know your gay history. The entire movement was started by drag queens and flaming homosexuals who had the balls to stand up and say they were not going to take s*** from people anymore. Now, if you don't like those people, fine. But you damn well do not have the right to tell them that they shouldn't be themselves in a parade that was started decades ago by people just like them.

No it isn't, and neither is "hockey player" a sexual orientation. If somebody wants to be a leather daddy, rock on. It doesn't matter. If other people don't like that, too bad.

 

Except the four most recent. (Minnesota voters also recently refused to ban recognition of same-sex marriage, which has since been enacted there and will take effect August 1, 2013).

What is your point, exactly?

 

Choosing who you have sex with makes homosexuality a choice.

Who and what a person is attracted to--- is not stagnant. A man who has traditionally felt attracted to girls can be attracted to guys in a different setting (prison for instance). A girl attracted to men can be a part of "gay for the stay" fad during college and still get off with a girl--which does take arousel and an element of attraction--which can grow if the girl decides to focus her identity on that lifestyle.
Its just commonsense that attractions can and do change as people change and as society changes.

My personal opinion is that gay people create and celebrate a gay identity and that makes the attraction that much more a part of their psyc.

 

So you're saying heterosexuality is choice?

 

???? You don't believe a bisexual could develop a preference for one sex or the other?

 

Yes. I am.

 

I can't choose to be heterosexual. Trust me, I tried because all my friends were doing it. I just don't like women in that way. My equipment does not work with women.

 

Can you expound on what you mean exactly by "attracted to"? What thoughts are going on exactly?

 

Wow. Feelings. What a great idea! We should make laws based solely on feelings! Let's just trust that someone's feelings makes up for zero evidence that homosexaulity is anything more than a choice.




Or not. lol

In other news, this guy thinks he is a dauphin . Let's make laws banning anyone who doesn't agree he really is a dauphin from saying so.

 

Then choose to be a homosexual for a month, and let us know how that goes

 

One more time for those who cannot grasp simple concepts- I cannot choose to have sex with women. The equipment does not like them. I did not choose to be attracted to guys anymore than I chose to have green eyes.

Now, I don't expect you to be here for an honest conversation, given your avatar. And how sad. Why do you hate gay people so much?

 

People do choose. People who call themselves Bi sexual choose. If they are bi---do they HAVE to do the homosexual thing if its so tough? Nope.

I don't buy the victimization.

 

Ah yes. The tired response from the gay mafia. If you don't believe laws should be based around feelings you're a hater. And you call yourself wanting an honest debate. LOL

I don't care what your feelings are and I don't hate gay people at all. I object to basing law off your feelings. Or is that just too hard for you to grasp?

If you want an honest debate drop the hate BS just because someone doesn't agree with your feelings when it comes to creating law.

 

This is a dodge. If you believe it is a choice, choose to be homosexual for a month and let us know how it goes

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Then you should have no problem with legalized same sex marriage then correct?

 

OK then, choose to be a homosexual. If it is a simple choice and that's what it comes down to- choose to be a homosexual and prove to me that you can do it. Then we'll talk about laws and such.

Now that's an honest debate.

I'm waiting...

 

Nope. You're the dodger---instead of responding to my arguments you throw out something meaningless that has nothing to do with the op. But if that is all you can come up with---then fine.