Social Welfare, Low Taxes, Low Debt

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Ethereal, May 9, 2019.

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    Look at the bright side.........we're not Venezuela. Check out the value of Simon B's. :xd:
     
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    My motto is, if they don't GAF, why should I?
     
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    If not for the invasion of Iraq, which all honest people agree was a complete disaster, there would be no ISIS. The only reason Al Qaeda was able to embed in Iraq in the first place is because the US destabilized the country.

    And the only reason Al Qaeda exists is because during the "cold war" the CIA armed, bankrolled, and trained the jihadists in Afghanistan. Al Qaeda learned how to use unconventional tactics from the CIA.

    The US empire creates problems and then pretends to solve them while soaking up trillions of our tax dollars. It's the classic example of a government racket.
     
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    When did the country get together and agree that our money should be spent on helping Israel dominate and kill its neighbors?
     
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    The US has a very good economy overall. However, its political economy is extremely dysfunctional. Though most Americans do not seem to realize it, we are witnessing its collapse. I just hope it doesn't cause a nuclear war. I prefer that civilization remain undestroyed.
     
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    Yeah! Iraq was all rainbows and unicorns before the US got involved. Number one tourist destination!

    Oh, wait. No, there were hundreds of thousands of innocent Kurds killed in buried in mass graves. Saudi radical groups holed up in Iraq and the corrupt government created an absolute mess.

    But you go on continuing to ignorantly act like the US wrecked havoc, when anybody that has a basic understanding of history and an ounce or morality knew that the genocide and atrocities shouldn't continue.

    You're just an America hater. Anything and everything that goes wrong in the world is the US's fault. It takes a special level of ignorance to believe this nonsense.

    If the US didnt get involved in addressing the ****ed up world we live in, and took the position of most of the ***** European nations, you would get to sleep like a baby at night knowing evil exists and the people with the most ability to stop it did nothing. They did nothing because they didn't want to get their hands dirty. Like a bunch of ****ing snowflake *******.

    The US brings far more Nobel causes to the world than bad. If you dont believe that, then your ignoring the facts.

    News flash. If NK didnt think we were pointing our barrels right back at him, he would have already engaged the south. But if he decided to attack, and we did exactly what we told him we would do, then we would be the instigator to people like you.

    What a convenient position you hold. Do nothing, and we would be wrong, do something and we are at fault.

    We should have just let Germany overrun Europe... then we wouldn't have to deal with all this non-sense American hating.
     
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    Make scumbags who scam the system like our thieving president, who we now know paid no federal taxes in 8 of the 11 years 1984 to 1995,pay their fair share.Get rid of all tax scams and loopholes.
     
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    The federal government just spent more money in the first seven months of fiscal year 2019(Oct 2018-May2019) than it has ever spent before.It exceeded what the Obama administration spent in 2011 and they were bailing out of the fiscal mess left by Bush.
     
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    I never said that.

    The fact remains, the only reason ISIS exists is because the US invaded Iraq based on lies. Even Trump said so.

    No, that would be you. Only someone who hates America could support the disaster that is US foreign policy.

    I didn't say that either.

    How many US wars have you fought you in, by the way?

    And why are you pretending like US foreign policy is about morality? Do you think the US supports the regime in Saudi Arabia because it's the right thing to do?

    How is that relevant?

    Self-serving speculation and nothing more.

    That's not my position.

    So now that your argument about AQ and ISIS fell apart, you want to shift the goalposts and talk about WWII instead.

    Yes, everyone who disagrees with you must hate America.

    *pats head*
     
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    Lets take it one step better. Slash the military and also slash the social welfare. Let middle class people keep what they earn but keep taxes on the rich higher.
     
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    I'm trying to think of what's politically feasible. At this point, voters will never agree to slashing social welfare. However, they could be convinced to reduce military spending. Those who want to see a reduction in taxes and spending should not let the perfect plan become the enemy of the good.
     
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    Currently slashing the military isn't politically feasible because we still have GOP majorities. Even if democrats came into power, they are probably going to raise spending more than they will slash the military.
     
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    I'm not a liberal, first off. You also said China is not above using force. I was just curious about who you thought they were going to use it against. Also considering that the US uses it daily against countries not even on our side of the globe, why is it so important. Let China have Taiwan, let the Taiwanese immigrate to the US. That cold war **** needals to end.
     
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    I disagree about letting china have Taiwan

    Thats just what chamberlain and many other pacifists said when hitler marched into the rhineland in 1936 and later occupied austria then the czech republic

    Granted the chinese are not as obvious as hilter was

    But they are every bit as imperialistic
     
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    We didnt invade Iraq based on anything other than their failure to comply with sanctions. Everything after that is spin to impose the invasion and forceful removal of Saddam from power.


    The majority of the "disaster" of our foreign policy is a result of the failures of the rest of the world to do anything that isnt self serving. Hell, if then they mostly cant even defend themselves.

    I did 8 years before being honorably discharged. Regardless, ones ability to engagement in discussions regarding foreign policy shouldnt be validated against their serving in the military.

    How much oil do we control in Iraq? How did we benefit in Bosnia and Yemen? Vietnam? Korea?

    Of course we have self serving motivations, but let's not pretend that is the only driver.

    Well you can bury your head in the sand if you like, but every rational and reasonable person knows KJU considers his actions against the US response.

    That is the position we have taken up in the world. You may not like it, but it is what it is.


    Those who forget history are bound to repeat it.
     

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