Socialism Is Ethically Wrong

Corporate Socialism is the worst. Bailouts, beneficial tax laws, tolerance of criminal behaviors.
Also referred to as Corporationism, National Socialism, and disputably some call it Statism.

It is about persistent acceleration of the proportion of government leniency and propping of corporations
while people feel it harder and harder to maintain a middle middle life style under a "rugged individualism" benign neglect Obama policy. Well not benign when Obama allows your home to be wrongfully foreclosed without any righteous penalty to the wrong doer banks. Corporate Socialism. Corporationism.
America only has 100% or its' total wealth and "we" hold less and less of it under continuous RepubloCratic assaults. The wealth of America is draining uphill. Get it? Obama has aided that flow.
Obama ain't to socialist to the people. People have to pay for their health insurance. NOT Socialism.
Obama, like all RepubloCrats, is a Corporate Socialist. Obama's wars help corporationism.

Moi
It's about the capitalist war machine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDY0BAe_qGQ

 

Just the people it robs and exploits, you think? Capitalism will die with the humanity it is murdering, within two centuries, on my reckoning. Soviet communism, obviously, was a form of capitalism, like Hitler's Reich.

 

People have no understanding of what a true socialistic society means since we have never had one in human history. A socialistic society can only occur if their population is small and where every able bodied person is working for the common good of their society. Nothing is free since everyone has a job. There are no rich people or poor people as wealth is distributed among its people.

The U.S. is not a socialistic society when it comes to their welfare system since it does not make you work to obtain those benefits. We have a parasitic society where many people that are poor and rich benefit off the hard working individuals that are obligated to support them.

 

Everytime we try Keynesian policies we make things worse than they need to be.

Why? Because top down, central planning can never have enough information quickly enough for a few hundreds of masterminds to plan correctly. Let's have hundreds of millions of people plan their lives rather than three million busybody bureaucrats. Keynes, like Marx, is an oddity that should be left as an exercise in the classroom. Neither has any business operating in the real world.

 

This is just one more variant of the "It hasn't been done by the right people yet" excuse.

Isn't the end result of socialism that there are two classes of people, the politically connected (vanguard of the proles) and the poor (everyone else)?

 

My observation about you remains valid.

 

No - in socialist societies WE rule, democratically, and there are no classes. In capitalist societies lying bullies rule everyone else and steal from them with impunity, as you know.

 

How can that be if you are resorting to fallacy (for your Cause)?

 

I'm not sure we're discussing the same Keynes. The Keynes I'm thinking of is the bloke who developed the ideas that were used to save capitalism. I don't see any central planning in Keynes, but then I could be wrong, not being educated in economics I mean.

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No, that's state capitalism which came to the fore during the Stalinist years of the Soviet Union.

 

Stimulus spending is Keynesian spending. He did not save capitalism. His policies are used to bleed it to death. And that is where we are today. He did a better job of giving politicians cover to take the money from the capitalists to give it to people who had no right to it.

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It is not a fallacy. It is true.

 

Show me the utopian country you speak of.

 

Stimulus spending has been around long before Keynes, in my own state in the late 19th Century when several depressions hit the country unemployed people were given work by the then colonial government to try and tide them over. Okay that wasn't the sort of wholesale stimulus spending that Keynes advocated but it's possibly a precursor.

In a capitalist economy it is necessary for government to manage the economy during the regular slumps. This requires stimulus spending. Without stimulus spending an economy can collapse. Capitalism is like that, Keynes saved it.

 

We will just have to agree to disagree.

 

Which is fair enough.

 

You are always welcome to your unsubstantiated opinion.

 

That's normal for Low Information Voters. They never see anything that's right in front of them.

 

LOL!! Don't exaggerate, not "never".

And don't underestimate those who are both focused and determined.

 

No, you really need to stop drinking the Red Flavor-Aid.

 

Nothing happening on the discussion front then? Just a bit of mutual lolling and the old kool aid thing. Pity.

 

Nothing to see here. Just some socialists saying "people should work for the programs I want and we should force salaries and pay on people that we think is just, whatever that may be at the time"

 

There is no such place, obviously, because we haven't yet been strong enough to establish it against the capitalist murder-gangs. Where the working people have established some control over their own destinies (the UK after the War, for instance) life was hugely more decent however, as everyone knows.

 

Th Soviet Union wasnt control enough for you? Too capitalist?

 

Socialism can never work. But it can spread misery wherever it is tried.

 

Then they need to go back to socialism school and learn what it means.

 

Totally capitalist, exploiting the working people to the limit, as you know.