Socialism is winning!

Libertarios in Spanish. It is refered to the anarchists, the anarchocommunsits. It was used in Europe before the American libertarian appeared.

The problem is that Americans transformed all the meanings of the words to new meanings:

- Liberalism: It is refered to the rest of the world as social democracy, or socio-liberals

- Libertarianism: In the rest of world are the liberals

- Anarquism: Are the libertarians, mainly anarcho-communists and anarcho-collectivists.

The anarchists depending the author, or how it is refered can be called as:

- Socialists
- Communists
- Libertarians
or simply anarchists

All this refering to collectivist or social anarchists. The individual anarchists only exist as theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_communism used for first time in 1880, before the use of the actual libertarian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchocommunism

My ideology is simply, I defend the abolition of the state and the organization in communes, aprox.

 

The dictionaries aren't a good reference for political terms.

 

you are very correct, kilgram.

Here is a correct discussion of the evils of socilaism.

For some reason, when the government takes money and personal savings from successful working Americans by forcing them to pay higher and higher taxes, in the mind of a liberal this somehow is not "theft"!




Excessively sweet union contracts, open borders, unlimited welfare benefits, income redistribution and free broadband service courtesy of the liberal Democrats! ... Socialism is theft! Pure and Simple!

 

No offense, but misinformed, hyper partisan rhetoric is not a good source for political definitions either.

 

You are very mistaken, IrishLefty.

Simply calling it "misinformed, hyper partisan rhetoric" does not make it so!

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Liberals do not like you if you do not agree completely with their points of view! Especially when you challenge their core beliefs on much higher taxes, legalization of dangerous drugs, open borders, multiculturalism, welfare accountability, religion and "cap and trade"!

 

You regularly express right-wing extremist views while calling yourself a "moderate". That is incredibly misleading.

 

The free market wont fail because socialism wont let it... look to the financial and then auto crisis. Those two unchecked would of been the ruin of the nation and possibly the world.

 

LMAO. And why do you think those "rich families" would create and support socialism? Because they know workers will never control it, it will just mean they are forever wealthy, while the poor are forever poor. We have more social entitlements in America than ever before, and yet the wealth gap just keeps widening. People of inherited wealth are for socialism. People who have made their own wealth are for capitalism. It is not education that is the difference, it is the ability to compete and fear of losing wealth to someone who is the modern equivalent of their grandfather who made all their families wealth to begin with.

 

You believing that is why those who deserved to fail were protected and someone replacing them, who would have done it better, the definition of capitalism, was never allowed to take their place. Socialism is more about protecting the rich than it will ever be about workers having better lives.

 

And so, you can't provide any examples. So, this means you pulled your opinion from your ass.

So, you have a red flag with a cycle and hammer and a Christian cross . . . The two don't go together.

You're a living contradiction.

 

I know you visualize a smooth transition to the collapse of much of the ENTIRE WORLDS banking system and those that wanna throw up their shingle and try their hand at banking, but its simply not logistically possible there simply isn't anyone out there that has the capital to replace failed banks.

Socialism is about protecting us all from the failings of others.

 

Who exactly was it suppose to protect? Exactly how many jobs have been lost as the expense of these "safety nets?"

 

Isn't the point how many jobs were saved?

 

LMAO. All their money is made out of thin air. Are you seriously implying someone new can't also make money out of thin air? Obviously, a bunch of smaller banks would step up to replace the larger banks, and that is exactly what the world needed. Some people's kids.

"Socialism is about protecting us all from the failings of others."-Thank you for posting this, though. Now to all the "socialists" spewing the dumb old stuff, do you see "workers controlling production" has nothing to do with it anymore? And to those like Jet, do you now see what I mean by producer controlled state socialism, and how my definition is spot on? Those in control want genuine capitalism as much as they would ever want genuine socialism.

Whatever works best for the elite, no matter what ism. As this regime takes over the world, globalism. People in every nation on earth simply have to wake up. No fight needed. To do nothing, is to embrace slavery.

 

Oh, "saved." So I guess these safety measures weren't to help protect everyone. Just the lucky few.

The only jobs the stimulus saved were just jobs from the Top down. Not the bottom up.

 

Banks require faith in the system from the consumer... allowing the nations/worlds giant banks to fail because you wanna prove some ideological point isn't going to restore peoples faith in banking particularly if they or folks they know just lost their entire wealth during the collapse.

When I think socialism I usually include the logical government run enterprises that don't necessarily "produce" a tangible product, or have a factory, police, fire that sort of thing are the most basic socialist bodies protecting us from others.

 

Anybody who has faith in bankers needs to have their tubes tied. And that's when times are good.

As for the rest, just please keep posting.

 

its a closed feedback loop... people working go spend money making other people work and so on.

You aren't seriously suggesting you think letting GM and Chrysler fail, letting most of the nations largest banks fail would of been good in any way?

Don't get me wrong I wish "too big to fail" was never allowed to happen and stronger anti monopoly laws were enforced while these companies all merged into gianormous companies, but we were where we were, and collapse of banking, then auto, then who knows what company but more would of brought this country to its knees.

 

We bounced back out of the depression greater than we ever were before, with protections that lead to the strongest middle class the world had ever seen AND the most powerful rich the world had ever seen. Obviously, as time goes on, greed generates the ambition to find new ways to subvert the old protections. A depression would have woke the country up yet again, those who had a hand in subverting those laws would have suffered with the rest, and new laws and new rich would have rose again, with yet ANOTHER strong middle class. YOU HAVE BEEN PLAYED, by your SOCIALISM. Not the ideological version that has never "existed", but the modern version that is all too real.

 

So you keep all your money in a mattress? And banks are more than bankers, they are the FDIC, regulators, tellers, etc, etc. People have faith their money in an account will be there when they write a check, use a debit card, goto an ATM etc.

I said faith in banks, NOT BANKERS. Full disclosure been a member of a credit union for 15-20 years, but my payroll is drawn off a traditional bank... no problems with either, not demanding cash from boss or stuffing my savings account into my mattress.

 

No disagreement here, that I see anyway. Just a point the "ideological version" of any political system has never existed, well except despotic tyranny (too many times). I just think that would of been very harsh to many people that had nothing to do with the folly that led to what probably was going to happen.

EDIT: though it should be noted "we bounced back from the depression" based off the needed production for the worlds militaries to blow the heck up out of each other. Surely you are not suggesting something like that again?

 

You do not grow without tough times. You do not learn without tough times. You do not better yourself without struggle. Nothing great is easy. People want nations to be gone so bad they are ignoring the fact that all rules that apply to individuals also apply to nations, as they are a living, breathing thing. Socialists don't want to acknowledge these truths for individuals, let alone nations. Why do you think the great generation is referred to as the "great generation"? They saw more trying times than any and it made them tougher than nails. Why do you think we are having so many problems now? Because the baby boomers lives were CAKE. From their selfish hippie youth to their most greedy cycle of ownership as they got older. Not realizing what their nobleness with globalism was doing to this nation. Depression was natural. Depression was perfect, right at the perfect time. So the generation that fallowed the selfish baby boomers would learn through pain. The only way individuals and nations can learn. And it was robbed from us, by those same baby boomers. I hope they, and all they have brain washed, burn in HELL.

 

These companies weren't too big to fail. These were made too big to fail. They've been in bed with government for a long time. It's a moral hazard. And no it wouldn't have been good to let them fail but that's what happens when companies make bad choices. The company allocate it's resources and bigger, better companies would have taken them over. Some of the employees would have been relocated to other institutions. It would have been better than bailing them out. Now we've gone from a housing bubble to a bailout bubble and it will burst again. And when it does burst again, are you going to bail these companies out again?

 

Perhaps, but I feel just letting all those companies collapse would of been too damaging to the overall economy. That track would of just made us all speak Chinese even quicker than we are already. Since there is no way back machine we'll never know how things would of been, but I think had the government not stepped in the nations and perhaps the worlds economy would of been in serious jeopardy of complete collapse, and very certainly would of been going through a much worse recession/depression.

2 syllables knee how, phonetic pronunciation of hello in mandarin Chinese.

 

I like to believe in the Star Trek utopia of humanity and that we can all come together and strive to make life better for everyone and explore space together until those dang Romulans screw with us.

IDK that tough times are required to advance humanities position in the universe, so I guess we'll have to disagree on that one TiltheLastDrop.