Someone try to justify this.

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  1. OldManOnFire

    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    99% of Americans can continue their jealousy of the wealthy...or...they can do something to change their personal situation.

    You seem to believe 99% of Americans are lazy so if this is true, then they need to get off their butts and change their stars instead of being as you say 'lazy' and waiting for their politicians and government to take care of them.

    In case you have forgotten, or never knew, the USA is the land of OPPORTUNITY. It is not the land of welfare and entitlement and socialism. Opportunity indicates that all Americans, if they put forth the effort, can achieve great things. People who refuse to put forth efforts to improve continue their status quo and wake up every day complaining how the world discriminates against them and those 1% have it so easy...
     
  2. MisterMet

    MisterMet New Member Past Donor

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    You have the wrong target. Most of this evil 1% you rail on are DEMOCRATS. Super rich elite big gov't supporters are the ones who built this system and you rail against the only group of people who want these people reigned in.

    If you like the current system of the super rich elite promising everyone else the scaps from their table, go ahead and keep supporting them. But that is the system that has led to the few haves, and the many have nots.

    do you really want to pretend that raising the cap gains tax on some fat cat will make more fat cats.
     
  3. OldManOnFire

    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    Government does not ship private sector jobs off-shore? Private sector companies makes these decisions. And this has been taking place for many decades long before many of these current trade deals.

    The US priced itself out of producing items similar to our imports today yet these imports are in great demand by Americans. If you remove imports, you close the doors on Walmart, Home Depot, Macy's, Ace Hardware, Sear's, Best Buy, and a million other businesses across the USA.

    Your comment about Walmart is not true. Just visit a Walmart and within walking distance of Walmart, in the same parking lot, you will find home improvement, phone, office supply, optician, fast food, auto parts, tire stores, and even other food stores....ALL of which are small businesses directly competing with Walmart...
     
  4. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I doubt that. Prove please.

    But irrespective, it isn't the Democrats who want to slash top income, investment and estate taxes. It isn't the Republicans who pushed a minimum tax for millionaires. It isn't Republicans who pushed to repeal the Bush tax cuts for high income earners.
     
  5. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Agree. They can join together to fight against the "trickle down" political policies of the greedy 1% who are fighting to keep their disproportionately large share of the nation's income and wealth.

    Because heaven knows, the 1% getting 20% of the nation's income and having 40% of the nation's wealth just isn't enough for you, is it?

    More is never enough for some.
     
  6. Spiritus Libertatis

    Spiritus Libertatis New Member Past Donor

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    Most of them get it fairly so I don't see the problem.
     
  7. MisterMet

    MisterMet New Member Past Donor

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    Just look at the voting habits of the super rich. The richest places to live in this country, (maybe even the world) are so overwhelmingly populated with Democrats that it's not even a contest anymore.

    Greenwich, CT. Marin County outside SF. Manhattan. Bevery Hills. North Jersey, on and on and on. These places have two main things in common, 20 million dollar homes and floods of Democrats. The super rich live there and the super rich vote for democrats. That super rich CEO lives somewhere, and votes for someone, and it is clear where he lives and who he votes for.

    Super rich elite are are not railing agaist big authortative gov't and regulations, they are voting for it. And why not, the more rules and regs don't hurt them, they hurt the small players and insulates the big boys from competition.
     
  8. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm sure a 1% apologist would think so.

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    I'm sorry, "proof" means a link to a credible source. >>>Flamebait Removed<<<
     
  9. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If it were "readily observable" there would be a credible source for it, and you could offer something more than your unsubstantiated blather.
     
  10. LibertarianFTW

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    I find it to be common knowledge as well, but the OP asked for a "justification."
     
  11. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My take it is that it was from the perspective of why we have policies and laws that are resulting int he distribution of 20% of the nation's income to the 1% who have about 40% of the nation's wealth, not simply the mechanics of how most of it gets their money.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That isn't what you said at all.

    The fact you cannot back up your BS claims is no excuse for personal attack and insult rule violations.
     
  13. MisterMet

    MisterMet New Member Past Donor

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    Calling someones post "blather" was the insult. The last thing I was going to do was continue this discussion. Go cry about rules to someone who cares.
     
  14. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The "blather" observation was obviously directed to your post, not you personally. That is no rule violation.

    And perfectly justified where you were asked to back up your factual assertion and you offered nothing but unsubstantiated blather in response.

    And you still have not.
     
  15. ErikBEggs

    ErikBEggs New Member

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    So I'm jealous of the 1% because I pay more of my income in taxes than they do?

    How do you explain this?

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    Are we going to start paying the 99% for their productivity or continue to throw away money to the 1%?

    Are the 99% going to continue to subsidize corporations too?


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    Who is the entitled one?
     
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    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    And precisely what do you propose the 99% do, what actions should they take, in order to obtain more out of their miserable lives? Let's hear some honest words of wisdom for what the 99% should be doing...
     
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    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    All anecdotal whining...meaningless political crap...how about YOU give me an example of a general group of people we might find in your 99%, and explain what it is these people desire...and more importantly...what it is that is preventing them from doing better?

    If you can point to something the 1% are doing which prohibits your group in the 99% from achieving more, then we have something to discuss...
     
  18. ErikBEggs

    ErikBEggs New Member

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    Reread my post and the OP. Do I need to translate it for you?

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    So now empirical data is anecdotal?

    I swear some right wingers are absolutely out of control with their sorry deflections and excuses.
     
  19. Spiritus Libertatis

    Spiritus Libertatis New Member Past Donor

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    Fair is fair. If their wealth was accumulated via voluntary transactions then I don't see why them having so much money is a problem.

    I'm not "apologizing", what is there to apologize for? It's like you're assuming that simply by having this much money they must have done something wrong.
     
  20. OldManOnFire

    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    Sorry but your posts and OP do not answer my question. Once again...give me an example of a general group of people we might find in your 99%, and explain what it is these people desire...and more importantly...what it is that is preventing them from doing better?

    If this is such a big deal to you then it should be easy to answer my question.

    Data is meaningless unless it can be applied to something. In this case, with all the whining, answering my above question above can point us to some good discussion. Your politicizing and insults are also meaningless to me and it seldom pays to be so righteous. I asked you a simple question so if you don't have an answer this is fine...
     
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    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    Instead of celebrating the great successes of people in the USA, most of which accumulate some wealth due to their successes, too many people want to villainize them as if they are evil and suck the life-blood out of society. I've always said how great it would be if we had 1000 Bill Gates and all of his wealth and businesses and his excesses. I notice that never do these people ask themselves what they can do to improve their miserable situations? IMO all of this is 100% political BS and the sheep fall for it...
     
  22. ErikBEggs

    ErikBEggs New Member

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    I never once insulted you. I simply asked you to address the graphs and why the tax cuts for the wealthy have a perfect correlation with the explosion of wealth for the 1%. You are free to address the OP at any time.

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    So, what does your strawman have to do with the OP?
     
  23. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The richest 1% getting 20% of the nation's income and having 40% of the nation's wealth thanks to "trickle down" policies is not "fair" in my opinion.

    I'm not surprised at all it would be in yours.

    For many, more is never enough.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've answered this many times. What is preventing them from earning better wages and incomes are trickle down policies that increased their FICA taxes to give massive tax cuts to the 1% who stick a big chunk of it in to their offshore accounts. Unions that have been villified and weakened so much that they cannot represent workers in even a single Wal-mart store throughout the United States. MW that has not kept up with productivity or wages or GDP or even inflation. Overtime laws that have been weakened so fewer are covered by them. Laws that give companies benefits of shifting jobs overseas. Etc.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Reverse trickle down policies. Time to focus on the the middle class instead of pampering the 1%.

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    How exactly is that data "anecdotal" in your view?

    Facts that expose 1% apologist propaganda are usually claimed to be so by the 1% apologists.

    I've answered these questions many times. See my prior post.
     

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