South Australia powerless as wind generators don't work.

Fisher guy seems to have lost interest in this thread.

 

The US has been using wind power since 1930.

 

The aim was never to replace ALL power generation - ye gods just think of the massive energy it takes for Draglines to operate and anyone could see that was a no go

But the idea is to supplement the grid. Unfortunately for SA one of the most promising technologies for clean power died when a conservative government pulled the plug on a pilot plant - "Hot Rock" power might have been a very very cheap and reliable alternative

 

A lot of endangered species birds are killed not only by wind turbines but a large number are fricasseed by concentrated solar as well.

 

Once again a fossil fuel pundit becomes an environmentalist. Are you an envirowhacko too? Suddenly you worry about wildlife...how convenient for you.

 

Not nearly as many as are killed flying into buildings

And then there is the good old domestic house cat

http://www.treehugger.com/renewable...ds-annually-house-cats-around-3000000000.html

 

Like I said I hope you wouldn't call legitimate business expense deductions "subsidies". But there it is "tax expenditures", Teddy Kennedy's nutty concept that all revenue belongs to the government except that which it let's you keep.

Every business can deduct expenses for operating from revenues . Somehow, however only with oil companies are the costs of labor, equipment, r & d, rent, g&a, etc. deemed Illegitimate and deducting them from revenue for tax purposes is considered a subsidy by envirowackos.

A subsidy is getting a check. A business legitimately keeping money it has earned is not.

 

A building is stationary, the wind turbine blades spin. When a bird flies into a solid structure like a building it is essentially pilot error.

I understand that turbines pose a threat to birds and bats, it just goes with the territory. However, if their turbines kill endangered species birds then they should pay the fines for that too.

 

The eco warriors final goal isn't saving the environment. If it were they would not push technology that damages it,

 

She sums it up pretty well doesn't she.

 

Yeah, let's build more asinine coal-powered generators. For the history-challenged, remember that time London suffered a temperature inversion for five days, too much coal was being burned, and a poison smog killed 4,000 people outright? And a total of 12,000 within a year. Oh yeah, coal is wonderful...

http://www.history.com/news/the-killer-fog-that-blanketed-london-60-years-ago

 

Love the way you just sailed over the inequity

 

And as I showed you there is more of an issue with glass walled buildings - I have seen a bird die that way

There is FAR more environmental issues with birds and coal - especially now that Trump is allowing coal waste to be dumped into rivers

 

From what I have read, a "Tesla Wall" is simply an Uninterruptible Power Supply. They take grid power to charge a battery bank and then use an inverter to recreate AC power to feed to a critical load. You can incorporate solar or wind power production and then you have something. Less power will have to be moved on the grid and you may be able to supplement power production enough to avoid grid failure during peak power usage times.

The trick is to make it cheaper for people to get this equipment. The batteries are a huge problem for the average consumer. Lithium ion batteries are very expensive and almost any battery will require maintenance, frequent replacement, and recycling. You also have to plan for batteries catching fire. It can happen with any battery. Do you want these added risks inside your home? Inverters, charge controllers, and means of generating power are not cheap either.

I would eliminate the batteries from most grid tied home systems. They have no purpose but to provide power during outages. Simply having the solar, wind, and home hydro power supplementing the grid is what the public is after anyway. That will help prevent overloading the grid at peak usage times. As energy rates go up, these systems will become more cost effective.

You can go to www.homepower.com . They have been promoting the home power industry for 30 years. They are a bunch of tree huggers, but they have very useful information on electrical code, relevant legislation, product reviews, system design, etc........ I like to see their feature home each issue. Some of them are amazing.

 

The batteries purpose is to provide power when the solar panel/wind power are not producing.

Why should they be eliminated?

 

Interestingly where weight is not a problem many have reverted to using Nickel Iron Batteries - particularly for home use

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel–iron_battery

Lots of advantages including robustness and long life. I can see a big use in some of our more remote communities

 

You listen to the Democrats and the media far too much.

http://www.snopes.com/2017/02/06/dump-coal-waste-into-streams/

 

Batteries are expensive, dangerous, and need maintenance. They are a bandaid to keep your lights on during a grid failure and do nothing to prevent the grid failure. You might as well build an off grid system. For grid intertied systems in places where space is limited, batteries are a liability unless you are rich.

Remote communities will gravitate toward off grid systems. Nickel batteries are expensive and hard to recycle. You have to pay people to dispose of them here. Recycling lead acid batteries will get you $.20/lb if you take them to a recycler. Some lead acid batteries will last 10 years and most wet cell batteries will last 20 years with proper maintenance. AT&T made a wet cell battery with a life expectancy of 75 years. I've seen these batteries still working after 33 years, but only made them for their own use. I'd like to get hold of some. I sometimes recycle used batteries for customers at work. If I had my own home power, I'd have free batteries.

 

We need buildings to live in, however we can do without wind turbines.

 

What "inequity"?

 

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/02...atwave-wind-power-collapse-rolling-blackouts/

JoNova notes that electricity prices have spiked to $13,440 MWh, or $13.44 / KWh. Wind power is only producing 7% rated capacity.

It's a 93% the fault of the traditional energy producing things.
/facepalm

 

Off grid is getting better and better all the time. More and more appliances can run off of 12 V so often you do not even need an inverter

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I would not trust Jonova to lie straight in bed

 

When you trust an article of "https://stopthesethings.com" than you can trust Jonova.
Besides... if you place your doubts about it, than go present us what % them windmills do contribute when they are up and running.

 

I have caught Jonova in too many lies in the past to EVER trust anything posted on that site. It is like asking me to trust an article from "infowars" - yeah there might be one or two truths on there but they are crying in lonliness

 

My previous argument stads. You're welcome to prove me wrong.