Everything... Prostitution is corruption..maximum when politicians are involved (defense) and intelligence services (Soviet) ... 100% corruption. Do you know a smilar case in CCCP? s I didn´t say that in Spain there wasn´t corruption, what I say is that in the UK there is also corruption. On the other hand, How is measure the corruption? Have you ever seen a kilo of corruption? Maybe three pounds of corruption? So, how to do "a scale"? Is it a match? Swedish corruption 2 - Greek Corruption 6... I don´t think so. There are corrupted people and other there aren´t. Regards.
Prostitution is not corruption. I have no idea aboput Spanish law but selling sex is not illegal in the UK. Even if it had been illegal it would nopt have been corruption since corruption involves the betrayal of office for gain. If he had been passing on secrets in return for sexual favours that would have counted. he didn't. He lief to parliamentr about his conduct and was forced to resign.not corruption. I realise that youw ill constantly try and argue your point being a teed. So you think that there is no measure of corruption? That all countries are equally corrupt? Well I suppose a Mediterranean would say that. Why not have a closer look at the Transparency international site that you pointed out to me and have a look at hopw THEY measure it.
Like you say, it depends on the point of view.. but an office had encounters with a prostitute...wich had links with an soviet aggregate... Yes, i think there isn´t any measure of corruption...Do you know any phisical magnitude? Corruption by km2? Poll? Inquiry? Of course not, all depends on what you understand by corruption and what parameters you adopt in previous research. To give fund a political party is not corruption in USA .. but in Spain (Europe), yes. I see you have not idea where´s located Spain...Italy or Greece are in the Mediterranea Sea... Spain is in a Junction (Wester than UK) http://www.iberianature.com/material/spanishseas.html Total Spanish Atlantic Coast: 2814 Km on the other hand, is in the Mediterranean where civilization arose in Europe and the Mediterranean is not who has glorified drunken pirates gangs dedicated to loot, steal, etc. Neither those who were devoted to drug trafficking for the first time. The "European corruption": Bulgaria, Romania, Baltic states (Baltic is not in Mediterranean), Poland...Italy, Greece... Corruption depends on the crisis of values, not sea...You can see how´s the level of corruption in Finland...and in Estonia. Regards
Not corruption. Read the link that YOU gave me Spain is quite clearly on the mediterrenean http://www.iberianature.com/material/spanishseas.html Total Spanish Atlantic Coast: 2814 Km You seem to be obsessed with drunkenness. You can;t even see Finland on that map. Look how much darker Spain is the UK
Yes corruption, depends on point of views. For me It´s corruption. False. It was Gibraltar local authorities who broke the Status Quo. No idea. On the other hand I´m not surprised. I know the average cultural level. Spain is located in a juction... with more than 2.000 kms coastline in Atlantic, from Guipuzcoa to Algeciras..a Junction between Atlantic and Mediterranean...Not like UK, only Atlantic, nor Italy, only Mediterranean... It´s a FACT...To say Spain lack of Atlantic Coast is as ridicolous as to say Sun turns around Earth!!!!!! Yes, nowadays is darker,,,All depends on the circunstances...Maybe It will be different in 20 years I needn´t to see a map to know where´s Finland... About Gibraltar, It was solved when the fishermen come back to the waters where they have always fish. Regards.
I really don;t care Hardly UK is not 'Only Atlantic' itr borders the North Sea, English Channel, and Irish sea as well. Who said it didn;t have an atlantic coast? It has always been 'darker' it will only be different if you have a massive change in attitude. Clearly you do because you thought Finland was on the map Spanish have a problem fishing on everyone elses teritory don;t they- even Canada hates you.
There's going to be some degree of corruption anywhere you go. Strictly speaking we are constitutional monarchy which can be a bit better as power is pretty divided into three parts. House of lords, house of commons and the crown. Although the last one has very little to do with lawmaking process. And realistically it's the commons that have the most input. I suppose the US democracy is theoretically a good idea but I believe that it suffers from questionable senators/congressmen. Also the federal layer seems to make it very cumbersome. Aye. It's unfortunate but that's just the way of things and we don't live in an ideal world. It's up to them to decide what they want, it's not for us to impose. I find the EU very annoying to say the least and I hope that it is dissolved and remembered only as a bad experiment. - - - Updated - - - There's going to be some degree of corruption anywhere you go. Strictly speaking we are constitutional monarchy which can be a bit better as power is pretty divided into three parts. House of lords, house of commons and the crown. Although the last one has very little to do with lawmaking process. And realistically it's the commons that have the most input. I suppose the US democracy is theoretically a good idea but I believe that it suffers from questionable senators/congressmen. Also the federal layer seems to make it very cumbersome. Aye. It's unfortunate but that's just the way of things and we don't live in an ideal world. It's up to them to decide what they want, it's not for us to impose. I find the EU very annoying to say the least and I hope that it is dissolved and remembered only as a bad experiment.
So, It´s corruption. Not hardly. Fact. Concrete blocks into the water. You: Spain is quite clearly on the mediterrenean When have I said Finland was in map?? False. It depends on Age, time and circunstances... For example, when the common thiefes became "national" heroes... or drug dealers in XIX Century... Never.. in fact spanish fishermen are fishing from 500 years ago in Newfoundland, from 900 years ago in Great Britain, 600 years ago in Norway, etc etc ...without trouble... The only problem with Canada was in 1995, when Canada involved in Piracy and hijack in international waters. war was about to explode. "Canada and Spain are close to declaring war on each other" (1995). There was a time than pirates were hanged in Havana or San Juan...In nineties... pirates were appointed ministers in Canada!!!!!!! Regards
No itsnot corruption. You are speaking English. I don;t care what corruption means in Spanish. Corruption in Engliosh must involve the misuse of power for material gain. Using a prostitute is NOT corruption with the English lanaguge in OUR territorial waters to protect the reefs from invading spanish pirate-fisherman from destroying them It is clearly on the mediterrenean. WHy does that mean it can;t have a Spanish coastline? you referenced the map and named finland Pointless rhetoric. No 'common theives' are national heroes (with the exception of the largely fictional Robin Hood) Dealing opium certainly wasn't corruption. It wasn;t done by puibl;ic servants but by private companies and wasn't illegal Spain was as usual over fishing waters and destroying the livelyhoods of everyone else. Spanish fisherman behave disgustingly in UK waters and catch fish that are too small and even attack English boats,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbot_War Yep Canada almost sunk some Spain patrol boats. But situation cooled down.
Hey Martin, maybe Spain shouldn't fish in Canadian waters? It's laughable that you called Canadians pirates.
Thus you recognize the concept of corruption is not an absolute magnitude measurable, but something Relative, which depends on the cultural conception about it ... in short, that any map of corruption is false ... it depends on the previous concept (relative) of the observer. Your opinion is similar than the mine one: unquantifiable relative concept. False and you know. The blocks are in the neutral zone. False. It is cleary a junction between Mediterrenean and Atlantic. Drake? Morgan? Hawkins? and so on? Private companies helped by the British State, the Royal Navy, Diplomatic Corp, Army etc and yes It was absolutely illegal in China where acted the british drug traffickers... A joke? Spanish fishermen are in Newfoundland from 500 years ago... Have they "destroyed2 the livelyhoods in New Found Land.. or better to say Terranova? In Great Britain from 900 years ago...centuries later, King Edward III recognized the fact and gave the Spanish the privilege of fishing in English waters... Have the spanish fishermen "destroyed" the live in British waters? No, And not for lack of time!!!! Are you talking about the conflict between Spanish fishermen and Bayonne in the fourteenth century? Regards
Pro Consul wrote: Also I am monarchic (Constitutional Monarchy) symbolizes the country and different generations. USA established the Democracy like we understand nowadays (The Athens Democracy is nothing to do with ours systems) and and has been the only revolution that created wealth, security and a better future for the people ... very different from the totalitarianism of the French and Russian Revolutions. Althouth USA hs restricted the Individual freedom in several stages: 1861-1865 Lincoln, 1932-1944 roosevelt and from 2001 Bush (and Obama) continues to be the closest thing to a Democracy Unfortunately you're right. Leftists are masters at it
Hej Cdnpoli ? First, As you well know, wasn´t and isn´t Canadian waters but International waters The Turbot War of 1995 was an international fishing dispute between Canada, and Spain in which Canada stopped a Galician (Spanish) fishing trawler in international waters and arrested its crew. Canada claimed that European Union factory ships were illegally overfishing Greenland halibut, also known as Greenland turbot, on the Grand Banks, just outside Canada's declared 200 nautical mile (370 km) Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ). Not laughable, but reality.. International waters aren´t canadian waters..If tomorrow a Spanish Eurofighter intersects an Air Canada plane in international airspace and forces him to go to Barcelona ... Would it be piracy and kidnapping? Canada commited Piracy like somalian. Spain had a casus belli. On the other hand, in Canadian waters, spanish fishermen are they from...300 years before appeared the first Canadians on earth. Canada unilaterally extenden the EEZ and spanish fishermen accepted... but not international waters... Piracy... is not right. International Waters are INTERNATIONAL.. nor Canadian... Canada is not the Earth Planet... and the International Waters don´t belong to Canada. Regards The Spanish-canadian war had ended in a draw: and to come back to the former Status Quo.
No corruption must involve the public trust betrayed for gain. Nothing else will do. There is no neutral zone. There is intrernational waters over 3 miles out So how does that stop it being on the mediterrenean Privateers you mean. Warships who during war with Spain attacked Spanish shipping and confiscated the Silver that the Spanish had stolen from the Incas
Actually the US more or less kept to the same kind of democracy as we had at the time. That being that only land owners could run for office and vote. Although this was removed during Andrew Jacksons presidency in the early 19th century. Universal suffrage was only applied in 1870. I really dislike it when they say that the war for independence was about democracy and freedom. I think that in many ways they are the ones are more like the right wing politics of ages past. They take a very dim view of anything that's incompatible with their opinions even unto the point of refusing to listen. Quite hypocritical when they go on about peoples rights and at the same time try and suppress other peoples right to free speech at the same time. Anyway that's what I've found from some people in my country. Democracy is not always applicable in all countries. But the US seems to think that it's the best thing since sliced bread. Ultimately it's up to them and nobody else. Well Cameron is slowly getting the message but I fear that the damage has already been done. Still better late than never. And if we get a referendum I think most of us will vote to leave. And yes the EU does seem to want to follow the US federal system which is very inappropriate for the European countries to say the least. Actually I remember not too long ago some govt minister seemed to think that a federal system would be the best way to keep the UK united. I thought this was unbelievable. This logic of following the American model has got to stop.
I don´t think so. UK was an aristocratic country where the landowner oligarchy maintained economic and political power (as in the rest of Europe), the U.S. was a country of immigrants, vere poor people, the named "Scum of Europe" like Rockeffeler o Vanderbil ... self made men that broke with all traditions we held in Europe. Universal suffrage was applied , as you well say under Jackson presidency. . But Remember: No taxation without Representation. The British King could not unilaterally raise taxes on the American colonies. Personally I sympathize with the American Revolution ... but I think that Spain should have followed the Count of Aranda´s policy .. military alliance with Britain to put down any revolution in America ... Aranda realized that the greatest threat to the Spanish Empire would not come from UK , France or any old European power but from the U.S.. Aranda wanted to declared war on France and join forces with Britain. Had this happened, the story would be completely different. I think the same. Not be forgotten that Socialism, Communism, Fascism and National Socialism are ideologies brethren. All are rooted in Socialism It´s also my opinion. , I think that the obsession for democracy anywhere, It´s the product of a true infantilism in the American society ... some are "teenagers" to reach 90 years old!!! With two aggravating things: American Union as we understand today came from one of the bloodiest wars in history (1861-65) and by other hand U.S. hasn´t totalitarianism epidemics that have affected Europe since the nineteenth century. Regards
True but what I said was that in the US after the wars end that only land owners could vote and run for office. This was pretty much the same situation as it was in the UK which also changed in the 1840's I think. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacksonian_democracy I sympathise with that grievance but not the action. If you read a little more on the war and the background to it you'll find that a major cause for colonial resentment was the reservation of the much contested Ohio territory which was reserved for the Indian population by order of George III. There are several other factors which contributed to it but I think that this was a major one. Yeah. The problem with all this is that so many people come down on either side when really we should be taking the best of both sides of the political spectrum. And in relation to history it has generally ended quite badly. True. I mean just look at John Kerry who bases his statements on youtube evidence. I really don't think that you can base foreign policy of something found on the internet. Funny thing is that when I was growing up I thought that our elders were supposed to be wiser and as time passed I've found that it's not all that true. But people of that calibre and seniority both in age and position are destroying the world and you find that everywhere. I've worked for people just like that and I'm sure many others have as well. Yeah if anything the EU is more likely to cause a war rather than prevent one. Actually alot of continental Europeans I've spoken to seem to say the same thing. As individual European nations I believe that we can prosper by our own efforts without the EU. I mean why should one nation have to share the burden as well as assist other nations which offer so little in return. To hell with the EU.
Yes, Democracy was only for land owners (and social elits) until second half of the XIX century when it was extended the right to vote. I know, but Indeed, what is more doubtful is knowing how important was the Ohio Territory for a New England New England bourgeois or Virginia planter. Socialism is a calamity, by definition contrary to the individual freedom. Communism is the philosophy of misery or how to sink and corrupt a society in five years. Fascism is socialism baptised with another name National Socialism is socialism developed by a Servants and Stewards country, a country without greatness, frustrated and full of false feelings. Nothing good can be drawn from any of those totalitarian ideologies. Social Security or Unemployment Insurance isn´t a socialist invention...Unless, Otto von Bismarck, Wilhelm I and II or Seine K und K Apostolische Majestät were socialist!!!!!!!!!! What a great power, the most powerful in history, is dedicated to these things, shows the degree of imbecility has the people access to power. I always said that Obama is only Marketing .. like Coca Cola or current movies. EU is burocracy, subsidies (= corruption) and totalitarianism (environmental movement, feminism and all "ism" as opposed to individual freedom). Regards,
Hence I said it was major contributory and not the principal cause for war. But anyway that's a whole other kettle of fish. Tyranny can come in many different forms even in parties and government types that are trusted and even those that have a history of upholding liberty. Well based upon what I've read and heard about the US then yes I would say that it is country that does it's best to "sell" every facet of society that it can. But as I have not been there I don't feel that I can make any certain commentary about it. It won't last like this. Anyway I think we are getting sidetracked again. I still believe that Gibraltar is British and should remain so until or if the residents decide otherwise. I also believe that the water that is adjoins the isthmus between Gibraltar and Spain should be apart of British territorial waters. However I would allow for joint usage before and during as well as after Spain's recognition of the waters in question. Which we should discuss and if that is a dead end then we should submit the matter to the UN. I would also declare the waters as militarily neutral.
It´s possible, of course, but never like socialist (Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini, Lenin, Trosky, Kadar, Hoxa, Polt Polt etc etc)...In the U.S., there was never anyone compared to those men. Exactly I think, it´s not necesary to be or not to be in a place to comment...To do commentaries about Hitler isn´t required to visit Berlin or have been in Germany in 1933... I´ve been in USA and I have no more knowledge about Obama than someone who has never been there. I still believe that Gibraltar is British Queen´s OWNERSHIP.. like It´s written in Utrecht. Nobody forced the British delegation to sign .. treaties are kept... or not sign. No, It´s not written nor Utrecht, nor Seville, nor Versailles...not, Ownership doesnt´give sovereign rights. However , I am partial to recognize Gibraltar British waters as long as illegally occupied neutral zone will be evacuated because any British sovereignty can never exist where the blocks were pulled into water because there are front a land never yielded Me too, I would accept the recognition of British sovereignty over the rock and the water around, never on the Isthmus an I would allow the joint usage of the waters. I prefer both navies could use the waters in neutral zone. Regards
Funny thing is that Karl Marx did not actually write about how government should keep people in line. It's the above lunatics who decided to bastardise it. If humans were of a better nature then I would say that communism would have a fair shot at working but obviously the reality is so much more different. Well it's just a policy of mine. I tend not to make a detailed assessment of countries that I've not been to in the last 10 or so years because the world changes so quickly. I suspect that the financial cost of doing so would be more trouble than it's worth. For free passage maybe? But by keeping the waters neutral we could avoid any mishaps or incidents which trigger another diplomatic wrangle.
I don´t think so. Marx wrote about the Diktatur des Proletariats in 1852: Dieser Sozialismus ist die Permanenzerklärung der Revolution, die Klassendiktatur des Proletariats als notwendiger Durchgangspunkt zur Abschaffung der Klassenunterschiede überhaupt, zur Abschaffung sämtlicher Produktionsverhältnisse, worauf sie beruhen, zur Abschaffung sämtlicher gesellschaftlicher Beziehungen, die diesen Produktionsverhältnissen entsprechen, zur Umwälzung sämtlicher Ideen, die aus diesen gesellschaftlichen Beziehungen hervorgehen.“ Karl Marx wanted the Red Dictatorship... Maybe that was the reason because Mijail Bakunin defined socialism as the "philosophy of Misery" That´s Rousseau, Rousseau! A bastard beast, bad husband and worse father who spoke about "goodness"... sell tips and for me I have not. Liberalism, social democracy, Christian democracy may be acceptable...Socialism Not. Sure, I lived in East Europe between 1988 to 1998 ... Everything is so different now!!!!! Last time I was there was in 2003 and It was like being in a parallel universe (for better and worse).. Like it said by frenchmen: la vie passe vite. Probably but the justice and Honor are more important than money. yes, for free passage. Regards
Ahh right. Well I'll need to do some reading about that. Mind you I haven't delved too deeply into Marx. I thought it was my own. I did mean it in a more optimistic way though. Interesting. Do you mind if I ask what you were doing there? Well from a British perspective we have a habit of putting money first before most things but gladly embrace ideals when it's affordable.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...showing-British-people-shot-machine-guns.html It was fine until they shot the Britons which was in poor taste to say the least.
