Spill, Spill, baby SPILL!

So here we are again, you sitting there in your nice home looking at the pristine world of politics, worrying about things like abortion, taxes, gay rights, Obamacare, but as we enter into the month of April, let's look back at what happened in March. In the last part of March 4 major fossil fuel spills took place. Did you see anything about that? Let me ask you, if you live around the Great Lakes area, how does the tap water taste? Do you know what's in your tap water? I don't care how rich you are, water is not an replaceable resource, so you better think about that.



Tar Sands is the dirties form of oil there is, it's really not even oil, it's a mixture of tar and sand, so to make it liquid for moving, they put other chemicals into it. It's not just "oil", it's a multilevel form of poison that has so many long term bad effects, it can't even be fully described.



So why are we looking at this? Why is this still happening? Why can't we stop it? Because, if you voted for a Republican, if you are a conservative who believes in "less government regulations", you bought and paid to have THIS happen. This is you baby, this mess belongs to YOU!



Tell me, does this look like the kind of beach you want to take your kids to?



Would you want to go fishing here?



So you think people can just clean it up? No. It never gets cleaned up.



I know people on this forum do a lot of worrying about the national deficit and how we shouldn't leave that for our kids to inherit, but what about the Earth it's self? You can't eat money. You can't drink hedge funds. Eventually, everything will look like this if we don't stop this NOW. Do you want to live in a world that looks like this?

 

Gee, how surprising, not a single reply! What's the matter? Can't argue with pictures? I thought the shameless conservatives were always pro-oil, go drill, screw the Earth, make money NOW?



So how about this? The argument that "Less government will solve this because there is nobody to bribe and law actions will keep corporation in line."
No, that doesn't really work, because big oil is one of the forces trying to undermine "big government" so they can get rid of the EPA and regulations all together. Big Corporations are the very embodiment of "corruption", and they want the government out of the picture so they can have a free for all.



"Both democrats and Republicans are owned by the corporate powers, so it doesn't matter who you you vote for, this will still happen."
No, actually, if we had had a Democratic majority in the House, we would have seen the oil subsidies cut and a shift of investment incentives into green energy sources. They work in other countries so the argument that green energy is not economically viable is a big oil based argument. They don't want US to invest in green energy OR end their free handouts of taxpayer's money.



"We can create jobs and clean it up!"
Again, NO, the facts show that is not happening.





"Fracking can give us more natural gas!"
Fracking is a certified disaster. Originally patented by Dick Cheney's Halliburton, fracking is a process that uses lots of fresh water mixed with chemicals to be hydraulically pumped into the ground to force oil and gas out of cracks in the earth crust. It works in what it's is intended to do, but the side effects are horrendous. It poisons water sources, destroys the surface environment, and actually causes earth quakes in places that were never known to have earth quakes!





"We can make clean coal!"
Complete myth. "Clean Coal" is the rather absurd idea we can contain the CO2 byproduct by sealing it in containers that don't go into the atmosphere. The realty is that the poisons like mercury and lead will still pollute the land around any such coal burning plant, and then they will have to find a way to store the CO2 containers forever! This is actually a lot like nuclear waste, it a little gift we can leave to our children to figure out how to get rid of it! Way to go concerned Republican parents groups! Eventually, it will go back into the atmosphere at the cost of the future.

 

So what regulations that were put forth and knocked down by those evil conservatives would have stopped this from happening?

 

The question is not what did they knock down, it's what did they block, and that is pretty much everything. Ending oil subsidies would be a major step to ending the fossil fuel gold rush and shifting it to a cleaner energy source. Even as recently as this it's been impossible to even do a tiny thing.

http://news.yahoo.com/house-gop-moves-block-epa-rules-power-plants-061849446--finance.html

Who owns the GOP? The Koch brothers, right? Can anyone here deny that?





This has been going on since long before President Obama took office, so the number of life changing bills that never saw the light of day goes back well over 15 years or more, and prior to that there was not so much of an exploitation effort directly here in the US. IF the EPA was allowed to function and given the proper funding, which the GOP won't allow, we could at least enforce some of the laws already on the books, but as it stands, the House Republicans have tied the EPA down and taken their power away. There are always a few Democrats that work with the Republicans on those sort of things, the Blue Dogs as they are called, the traitors as I call them, and that is a problem, but not nearly the problem of a completely and totally corrupted single party that controls the house. They can make sure it never gets solved and keep things like this going on again and again.



Unfortunately Americans are addicted to oil like a drug, and just like that drug, they will try to convince them selves they can cut down, but it never happens, does it? The also keep making excuses as to why they need it.



John Boehner has investments in 11 different firms all set to make money off the Keystone pipeline, do you think he cares about anything that happens after that?

 

Still no reported instances of wind or solar working on-demand.

 

Who gives a sh!t about the environment aside from poor leftist losers who don't pay taxes? Profits are up.

 

Profits are irrelevant. Prices and taxes paid by consumers are everything.

 

Only in THIS country. If you took the time to look at other countries you might see a different story.







The hard reality is other countries are making progress, and the USA is not. Holland and Denmark both have thousands of wind mills making them electricity. Germany has only a fraction of the sunlight we do, but they have 3 times more solar powered electricity than we do. Why? Because people keep voting for Republicans, like you, probably on the false promise that the taxes will be cut or eliminated, but in reality the GOP propagates the situation of paying BILLIONS in tax payers money directly into the oil industries pockets, so they can then buy the Republicans and get them to protect policies that favor their corruption. BP, a foreign based company responsible for most of the largest spills in the last 3 years, has paid NO taxes for the last 5 years! Is that your idea of tax cutting?

I want to see my taxes cut too, but I want these guys to pay their taxes and pay fines that actually hurt their profits for their crimes. I don't like being taxed to pay for all the damage they cause. If you really care about taxes, then this is a simple place to start.
Now, lets get back to your remark about solar and wind not taking off on their own, let's imagine if, like the oil industry back in the early years, got subsidies from the government to promote their actual start up, something the oil industries pay the Republican to make sure never happens as long as they are in power. The GOP is owned by the fossil fuel companies, hook, line, and sinker. They don't cut taxes, they just give your money to the big industry.

 

Indeed, and what do you wish to pay for that? Do you live in Kentucky? Here is what they pay for it.



How about if it's in your back yard? Are those profits worth this?



Maybe you would like to live in Detroit?



If anyone wants to know more about the Tar Sands and how it impacts you, here is an important link.
https://nextgenclimate.org/share-th...SbJ0p2F5OY5uk9WX1C8Tr4ubuIPINPoyipxFjrl7_z-Aw

 

You're right about the potential for solar energy but CO2 means less than nothing. If you could shut up about carbon taxes you might get somewhere.

 

Most of the duke ash spill is in the water in Virginia which has a democratic governor who doesn't seem concerned. Unless your computer is power by algae, there is a bit of hypocrisy in posting a wall of photos edging us closer to the carbon cliff, and this is what a windspill looks like:

 

this is what the woods looked like before someone bought it and built houses

ugh disgusting

 

All your pictures do not change the fact that while fossil fuel provides usable energy of demand, wind and solar are subject to the vagaries of nature and suitable storage is not available.

For all its faults, fossil fuel works.

Wind and solar don't.

 

i didnt think detroit could get any worse after what libs did to it

 

Water is the most renewable resource on earth after wind and sunlight. I don't get what's with this movement to try and insist that water isn't renewable.

 

This kind of thing is such bull(*)(*)(*)(*). If it were true, why can't I buy a working algae lamp anywhere, not even in Denmark or Sweden or on the black market? You really think the illuminati are conspiring against algae lamps or something?

Didn't it occur to you that the lamp in this picture has a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing CORD coming out of it?

Finally, how can these environmentalists conclude that water isn't a renewable resource but algae is a renewable resource? What do you think algae live in?

If you're serious about environmentalism than light your house like this:
[video=youtube;JOl4vwhwkW8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOl4vwhwkW8[/video]

 

There is no convincing conservatives and neoconservatives that environmental pollution is harmful, facts are wasted on them. The financial wellbeing of people like the Koch Brothers is far more important to the right-wingers than their own health and that of their children and grandchildren.

Reading the right-wingers’ posts on these message boards proves this. Pick any thread with a topic that includes environmental issues and you will see.

To a the vast majority of conservatives and neoconservatives, the term “alternative energy” is an obscenity. This is especially true if that alternative mentions “renewable energy.”

 

[video=youtube;FvsFWUo2iIw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvsFWUo2iIw[/video]

 

Solar power is efficient enough now. Unlike the Chinese government, The U.S. government just isn't inclined to engage in any kind of a process to advance the usage of solar energy. The U.S. government and corporations do not value progress or people or even their country. but only wish to inflate themselves over other people for their ego. The United States government and corporations only care about making oil money, destroying other countries, and destroying it's own country, all for the sake of inflating themselves over others and for the sake their ego, just like the middle class turns away from the poor for their ego.

 

are we using China as an environmentalist example now?



according to the world bank, 16 out of the 20 most polluted cities in the world are Chinese

http://content.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1661031_1661028_1661016,00.html
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2014-04/18/c_133274005.htm

 

No, we're using them as an example of a government which knows that their environmental concerns are a problem and have taken measures concerning them.

 

The ocean reflects too much light, makes it hard to see. I like the reduction in glare that comes with an oil spill, it makes a trip to the beach much less tiring.

 

China's government is the reason why they have such pollution to begin with

more on China and US pollution

http://insideclimatenews.org/news/2...-coal-plants-pollution-global-warming-climate

the US is LEADING China in clean energy

edit:

The difference between China and the US is that China is a state run market, China has plans to reduce their market's pollution that the US has not set for themselves.. despite this the US is still showing better results in actual environmental progress

 

No, China's need to develop economically is why they have pollution, same as India.
I don't think you are ready for this thing called thinking, maybe you should take a break.

Also, I really, really, really, really don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about Carbon Dioxide.

"China's population is four times larger than the United States', and its emissions are close to double in size"

Huh... four times the population, only twice the emissions. Maybe you should rethink this.
Are you even trying? Come on, try to think. For once in your life, try to take in some words.

 

yes, China's market has to do with it's pollution, but China in contrast to the US is a state run market.. one which has shown and continues to show poorer results in comparison to the US. Again, the US is leading China in clean energy.. which your initial post seemed to suggest otherwise